From: Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>
To: Eystein Jansen <eystein.jansen@geo.uib.no>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: URGENT : IMPRINT en RTN ?]
Date: Tue May 17 17:03:25 2005

   Eystein
   We have now heard from Hans Brelen that Millennium will definitely be funded . This means
   that  the very worst case scenario has been realised - because it means that the EU are not
   likely to call for any palaeoclimate in the next funding round.
   I have to say that though there is normally an unfortunate element of randomness in the
   refereeing of EU proposals , that to a large extent is unfortunate but inevitable, I
   believe strongly that the system has let us down very badly in this case. It is clear that
   we, the IMPRINT community were misled ; first  by Ib Troen's direction (given publicly in
   Utrecht) that we should produce a proposal which was of the scale to unify the whole
   Palaeoclimate community , with a specific role to bring data and modelling foci to bear on
   the issue of climate predictability; that we should be careful to not to over-emphasise the
   collection of new data but rather work mostly to consolidate and jointly interpret existing
   data , and that we should formulate a scheme were these fed directly into a hierarchy of
   modelling that would address model viability and issues of probability of future climate
   and its causes.
   Secondly, We were misled by the accepting , on the basis of the published call, that the EU
   required IP proposals of ambitious scope , large enough to move the  science of European
   palaeoclimate  forward as a whole and with relevance to globally important issues, with
   aims clearly beyond the scope of "slightly bigger STREPS" . On reading the cursory
   referees' responses to our proposal , I am also moved to express my own opinion that they
   are an insult to the community of researchers that constitute IMPRINT , and an indictment
   of the failure of the referees to address their assessment to the generally publicized aims
   of the IP concept. To describe the whole proposal as "too complicated", and to state that
   there is " no value" in the first four workpackages , and most of all to rate the quality
   of the consortium as 4 out of 5 , all require explicit justification well beyond the few
   lines with which we are presented.
   While I have no ill will at all regarding the competing proposal Millennium , I feel that
   the extended IMPRINT community can justifiably ask very serious questions regarding the
   apparent lack of equitable assessment of the two proposals in the light of the published
   call requirements - the efforts of the IMPRINT consortium over recent months at least
   deserve answers as to how , for the sake of 0.5 of a mark , that proposal will be funded
   when it clearly did not address the scope of the original call - in terms of community
   integration, emphasis on wider data consolidation, scope of  model hierarchy, and specific
   addressing of the data/model integration towards the issue of climate
   sensitivity/predictability.
   Expressing these concerns should not be considered "sour grapes " . They are not and I
   congratulate the MILLENNIUM team on having succeeded . Rather these comments are justified
   because the review process has not taken account of the scope of the IP concept, and the
   need to invoke a research plan with the necessary breadth and expertise (and proven
   managerial ability - as can be gauged by the assessment of the CARBO OCEAN coordination
   plan) , and because the success of the much more limited MILLENNIUM project has already
   been cited by European officials as justification for the lack of any need to fund
   palaeoclimate research in the next call - effectively cutting off the wider paleoclimate
   community from EU research support for the next few years.
   I believe we are justified in questioning the operation of the IP concept , beyond the EU
   administration, which has , in my opinion has done a serious dis-service to our community
   and palaeoclimate in general.
   At 08:26 16/05/2005, Valrie Masson-Delmotte wrote:

     Dear Eystein and Keith,
     I hope that you had a good trip back from Beijing. On our side it was a bit hectic (3
     hours delay in Amsterdam, arrival at midnight in Paris and lost of Pascale's luggage
     without ability to find where it was lost!).
     I have just received this suggestion from a CEA EC representative that there is a RTN
     Marie Curie call for september 8th which has a lot of funding - 220 Meuros. You can
     apply for up to 6 M euros for a series of PhD thesis and postdocs around a real research
     network (up to 3-4 contracts per participant).
     I think that it is an excellent idea... if you and your people, Eystein, would be ready
     to put some more energy in the proposal.
     It would require to re think about the scientific perimeter and the key partners maybe.
     Sincerely
     Valerie.
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     Subject: Re: URGENT : IMPRINT en RTN ?
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     Cher Jean - Pierre,
             Excuse-moi de ragir un peu tardivement (je reviens de Chine).
             Mais surtout merci pour ce courrier et l'aide propose ; je pense vraiment que
     cela vaudrait le coup de le relancer sous la forme RTN et que l'obtention de post-docs
     correspond bien  l'ide d'imprint (exploitation des donnes, modlisation).
             Pour faire avancer les choses je mets copie  Valrie Masson - Delmotte une des
     chevilles ouvrires d'IMPRINT au LSCE. Je suggre  valrie de te contacter directement.
             Bien amicalement        Jean

     Bonjour Jean,
     J'ai appris ce matin au GTN environnement qu'IMPRINT n'avait pas t accept.
     Avez-vous pens  le relancer sous la forme d'un (ou de plusieurs) RTN-Marie Curie
     (Research Training Network) pour l'appel du 8 septembre qui est richement dot (220
     MEuros ! du jamais vu !); le montant demand peut aller jusqu' 6 MEuros, pas trs loin
     d'IMPRINT.
     Il s'agit de proposer une srie de post-docs et de thses articuls autour d'un
     vritable projet de recherche; environ 3  4 CDD pour chaque participant.
     La DSM a une exprience dans ce domaine (Greencycles rien qu'au LSCE); on peut t'aider 
     te monter un projet taill sur mesures.
     Aujourd'hui je ne vois que cette solution car manifestement la ligne "modlisation
     climat" ne repassera pas au 4me appel et je ne vois rien d'autre d'aussi bien "dot"
     dans le paysage du FP6 (qui est sur sa fin).
     Cordialement
     JPC
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