From: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@meteo.psu.edu>
To: Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: expert review comments on AR4
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:16:21 -0400
Reply-to: mann@psu.edu

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Hi Keith,

here is the submitted comment by Tapio Schneider, attached. Please do 
not pass along or show to others. Thanks in advance,

mike

Keith Briffa wrote:

> Hi Mike
> thanks for these comments and especially thanks for your remarks on 
> the effort of trying to produce a balanced picture of the current 
> state of things in the IPCC Chapter 6. In fact , I know that it is 
> already out of date and I am going to get particularly lambasted for 
> not discussing problems with recent tree responses to warming and 
> potential problems wit CO2 fertilization - I may have to add even more 
> text yet .You are absolutely correct that we had unreasonable trouble 
> from Susan , who was not as "hands off" as she might have been. I will 
> certainly study your comments carefully - as I always do .  I would 
> rather reserve comment on the Crowley reconstruction til I speak 
> personally to you. I really hope that we can get an atmosphere of 
> constructive discussion that , I believe, must include some discussion 
> of the sceptics . Look forward to those drinks and some time away from 
> the mad house of teaching/exam marking etc. See you soon
>
> best wishes
> Keith
>
> At 18:08 24/05/2006, you wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> I wanted you to have an advance copy of the comments I'll be 
>> submitting on the final draft of the AR4. I commend you for the 
>> excellent work you've done and the tough battle I know you have had 
>> to fight. I don't envy it, and you know the tough battles I've been 
>> through.
>>
>> Confidentially,  I do have a number of specific concerns mostly in 
>> the area of discussions of where things actually now stand in terms 
>> of some of the earlier criticisms. I believe that the discussion is 
>> still out of date, given what has been shown in recent publications, 
>> including Wahl and Ammann (Science). Also, and I don't think this is 
>> the only place you're going to hear this from, there are deep 
>> problems w/ Hegerl et al '06, particularly the claims of what TLS can 
>> do, which are egregiously incorrect.  There is a comment in review in 
>> Nature (not me, but I can promise you, by someone who understands the 
>> statistical issues involved better than anyone else in our community) 
>> that is very critical.  I think its unwise for the TAR to 
>> uncritically accept the claims made, particularly given that the 
>> actual J. Climate paper was in limbo at least at the time the most 
>> recent draft was finalized. I believe that disqualifies it for 
>> consideration for AR4, no?
>>
>> Also, I think it is an absolute travesty that figure 6.10 isn't being 
>> shown in the SPM. I think that is unforgiveable, and there should be 
>> an effort to over-ride that decision (I would suspect that is Susan 
>> Solomon's doing?),
>>
>> I hope we can discuss these things (and much else) over a few beers 
>> in Switzerland. Looking forward to seeing you soon,
>>
>> mike
>>
>> -- 
>> Michael E. Mann
>> Associate Professor
>> Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Professor Keith Briffa,
> Climatic Research Unit
> University of East Anglia
> Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
>
> Phone: +44-1603-593909
> Fax: +44-1603-507784
>
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-- 
Michael E. Mann
Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University      email:  mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm



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