From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
To: Caspar Ammann <ammann@ucar.edu>
Subject: Re: New Wengen Draft -- including changes to accommodate new Figure 3
Date: Wed Aug 27 14:31:48 2008
Cc: Eugene Wahl <Eugene.R.Wahl@noaa.gov>, t.osborn@uea.ac.uk

    Caspar,
       Thanks.
    Phil
   At 14:16 27/08/2008, Caspar Ammann wrote:

     Phil,
     I worked on the figures yesterday and sent them off to Gene for double check. Will be
     one panel each (6), much improved legibility and significantly reduced "footprint" in
     the appearance of the text. You should have them before the end of your day.
     Thanks for all your work on this paper! (Tim too!)
     Cheers,
     Caspar
     On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:42 AM, Phil Jones wrote:

      Caspar, Gene,
           We're going to send the manuscript back tomorrow. If we get a
      revised diagram we'll include - otherwise we won't.
          Have had a few more comments, but nothing substantial. All yours Gene
      are in, as are those from Gavin, Mike, Juerg and the coral people. There
      is a completely revised tropical dendro section and Peck finally came
      through with a section on less-resolved proxies and varves.
        All in all it reads very well and the recommendations should prove very
      useful for PAGES.
      Cheers
      Phil
     At 04:52 26/08/2008, Caspar Ammann wrote:

     Hey Gene,
     I'll see how I can adjust the figures to fit.
     Caspar
     On Aug 25, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Eugene Wahl wrote:

     Hi Phil and Tim, and Caspar:
     Here are my full set of comments on the entirety of section 3, the figures relevant to
     section 3, the authors' address, and abstract (none there).  I made slight changes in
     the portion of the text already sent last night, sorry that I could not avoid that!
     Caspar, please note that I've operated here on the assumption that Figure 3 is
     simplified to one panel for each section, according to the suggestions we have talked
     about, but does contain all 6 portions, A-F.
     There are two versions:  one with just the relevant portions of the text, and the full
     amended text document.  The changes noted should be identical in each version.
     Peace, Gene
     Dr. Eugene R. Wahl
     Physical Scientist
     NOAA/NESDIS/NCDC/Paleoclimate Branch
     325 Broadway Street
     Boulder, CO 80305
     303-497-6297
     [1]http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/paleo.html
     [2]P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote:

     Gene,
       Thanks. Today is a holiday here. We'll all be back in
     CRU tomorrow.  So, we'll begin revising Section 3 then.
     Have had quite a few comments so far, and all are in.
       New Figure 3 most appreciated. We must send this off
     on Thursday or Friday.
       Hope you're settling in to Boulder life. At least you
     should be able to contact Caspar more easily!
     Cheers
     Phil
     ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
     Subject: New Wengen Draft
     From:    [3]Eugene.R.Wahl@noaa.gov
     Date:    Mon, August 25, 2008 2:45 am
     To:      [4]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
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     Hi Phil:
     I've had to wait to the weekend to get to this, due to several other
     matters that had to be attended to here at NOAA this week and in
     relation to a report required by a funder that was due Friday.
     I've looked over about half of section 3 (up to the start of section
     3.4.2), and also the abstract and the authors' address section.
     Attached are my comments on those sections.  I will be getting to the
     rest of section 3 tonight and tomorrow and will send anything else to
     you.  Everything is done in WORD with "Track Changes" turned on.
     HIGHLIGHTS
     1) My address information has been updated to include my NOAA
     information, which is now appropriate.  The original Alfred information
     is kept, as also appropriate.  I've condensed it all to not change the
     overall page spacing of the address citations.
     2)  The addition to the results description of the Riedwyl et al.
     (2008) paper across pp 10-11 here (near the top of p 56 in the text you
     sent this week).  It is NECESSARY to keep this addition, as the text as
     it was "overemphasized" the differential quality of the RegEM results
     in this study.  Their graphs 4 and 6 clearly show the results I added,
     in which RegEM for winter adds quite problematic artifacts at the
     highest levels of noise added.  The white-noise SNR at which this
     happens (0.25), while low, is not outside of what reality might bring.
     [NB: I have talked with Juerg about this situation, and he is clearly
     aware of my sense that RegEM is given too high marks in this context.]
     3)  I added very brief descriptions how the CFRs actually come up with
     a reconstruction to the descriptions of them in section 3.2.  If you
     feel these three sentences cannot be included I understand, but I think
     they are useful for the readers to know HOW the covariance information
     we are talking about there is actually used.
     TO COME:  Caspar and I are working out a much simplified version of
     Figure 3 (one panel per each section A-F), which I think will be much
     better than what is there now.  We communicated on that Friday and
     yesterday, and are now close to having a new graphic.  I will adapt the
     references to Figure 3 in section 3.4.2 and in the figure caption in my
     next message accordingly, which I plan will come either tonight or
     tomorrow.
     Peace, and again thanks!
     Gene
     ----- Original Message -----
     From: From Phil Jones     New Wengen Draft

     Dear All,
         Here's the revised version of the paper, together with the
     responses to the reviewers.
     We have told John Matthews, that we will get this back to him by
     the beginning
     of next week. To us in the UK this means Aug 26/27 as next
     Monday
     is a national
     holiday. So, to those not away at the moment, can you look
     through
     your
     parts and get any comments back to us by the end of this week or
     over
     the
     weekend?
        Can you also look at the references - those in yellow and let
     me
     know of
     any that have come out, or are able to correct those that I
     think
     just look
     wrong?
        I hope you'll think of this as an improvement.
     Cheers
     Phil
     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    [5]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     NR4 7TJ
     UK


     >

     <wengendraft_version_18Aug_Wahl_review_SHORT_b.doc><wengendraft_version_18Aug_Wahl_revie
     w.doc>

     Caspar M. Ammann
     National Center for Atmospheric Research
     Climate and Global Dynamics Division - Paleoclimatology
     1850 Table Mesa Drive
     Boulder, CO 80307-3000
     email: [6]ammann@ucar.edu     tel: 303-497-1705     fax: 303-497-1348

     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    [7]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     NR4 7TJ
     UK
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     Caspar M. Ammann
     National Center for Atmospheric Research
     Climate and Global Dynamics Division - Paleoclimatology
     1850 Table Mesa Drive
     Boulder, CO 80307-3000
     email: [8]ammann@ucar.edu    tel: 303-497-1705     fax: 303-497-1348

   Prof. Phil Jones
   Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
   School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
   University of East Anglia
   Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
   NR4 7TJ
   UK
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References

   1. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/paleo.html
   2. mailto:P.Jones@uea.ac.uk
   3. mailto:Eugene.R.Wahl@noaa.gov
   4. mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk
   5. mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk
   6. mailto:ammann@ucar.edu
   7. mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk
   8. mailto:ammann@ucar.edu

