date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:30:32 +0100
from: "Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\)" <David.Palmer@uea.ac.uk>
subject: RE: FW: Environmental Information Regulations request  (FOI_07-09
to: "Phil Jones" <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>, "Mcgarvie Michael Mr \(ACAD\) k364" <M.Mcgarvie@uea.ac.uk>

   Phil/Michael,

   Here is a draft letter to Mr. McIntyre based on the information below.... Ok with you?  And
   thanks for the prompt responses Phil - appreciated!



   Cheers, Dave




     ______________________________________________________________________________________

   From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
   Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:00 PM
   To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB); Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD) k364
   Subject: Re: FW: Environmental Information Regulations request (FOI_07-09 ; EIR_07-02

      Dave,
        I can't do anything about B. This is because I don't have a copy of the
      station data we had in 1990. The station database evolves and
      we weren't able to keep versions of it - as we added, amended and
      deleted stations.  We didn't have the data storage luxuries we
      have now.
         Tell him the best he can do is to use the current version
      of CRUTEM3(v) or CRUTEM2(v) - as the latter is still available
      on our web site, though not updated beyond 2005.
          These latest versions are likely different from what we had
      in 1990. Australia and China have both released more data
      since then - it is likely that much of this was not digitized
      in 1990. He will say the grid resolution is now different, but this is
      again due to greater disk storage available.
         The details of our updating of the raw station data is discussed
      in Jones and Moberg (2003).
        Jones, P.D. and Moberg, A., 2003: Hemispheric and large-scale surface air temperature
     variations: An extensive revision and an update to 2001. J. Climate 16, 206-223.
        He will be well aware of this paper, and he won't like the answer.
      There is nothing I can do here, except make the helpful suggestions above.

        If you want to draft a reply I'm here this week, but in Geneva
      next week. This is the end of the road for this request, when
      you send the reply. We just don't have what he wants. He
      can appeal, but aprt from the 2003 paper, there were others
      in 1993 and 1997 which documented other improvements to
      the basic raw station data.
         Does the FOIA apply retrospectively?  As you know this was
      17 years ago.
        I'll get to the other FOIA email in a few minutes.
      Cheers
      Phil
     At 16:02 17/04/2007, Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\) wrote:

     Phil/Michael,
     A partial result - I thought we answered (A) by way of the data mounted on the site...
     As to (B), stations in the gridded network ... are these the stations that Eschenbach is
     requesting the locations for?

     Cheers, Dave
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     From: Steve McIntyre [[1] mailto:stephen.mcintyre@utoronto.ca]
     Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:57 PM
     To: 'Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)'
     Subject: RE: Environmental Information Regulations request (FOI_07-09 ; EIR_07-02
     Dear Mr Palmer,

     Thank you for your courtesy and attention in this matter, which has successfully
     resolved part (A) of my request. However part (B) remains outstanding and I re-iterate
     my previous request for this information:

     A) the identification of the stations ... for the following three Jones et al 1990
     networks:

     1. the west Russian network
     2. the Chinese network
     3. the Australian network

     B) identification ... of the stations used in the gridded network which was used as a
     comparandum in this study

     Thank you for your attention.

     Regards, Steve McIntyre


     -----Original Message-----
     From: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB) [[2] mailto:David.Palmer@uea.ac.uk]
     Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:30 AM
     To: stephen.mcintyre@utoronto.ca
     Subject: Environmental Information Regulations request (FOI_07-09 ; EIR_07-02

     Mr. McIntyre,
     Further to my memo of 3 April and your response of the same date, I attach further
     information as promised on this matter. As always, don't hesitate to contact me with
     queries or concerns.
     Cheers, Dave Palmer
     <<Palmer-McIntyre_070411.doc>>
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     David Palmer
     Information Policy Officer
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich, England
     NR4 7TJ

     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     NR4 7TJ
     UK
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