cc: k.briffa@uea.ac.uk, Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>, <T.Osborn@uea.ac.uk>
date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:54:39 -0500 (EST)
from: Alan Robock <robock@envsci.rutgers.edu>
subject: Re: McIntyre and McKitrick response
to: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@virginia.edu>

Dear Mike,

OK. But it seems to me that if the climlist message, which would be from 
a third party (me), contains a link directly to your reply, more people 
would read it.

Alan

Professor Alan Robock
  Editor, JGR - Atmospheres
  Director, Center for Environmental Prediction
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On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Michael E. Mann wrote:

> Dear Alan,
> 
> I strongly support going w/ the CRU version, because this is also the version that has gone out to other mailing lists, my email went to a smaller number of
> colleagues. Also, a 3rd party posted the link to M&M. I see know reason why it would not be appropriate therefore that a 3rd party also post the link to the
> response. This seems more symmetric in nature to me.
> 
> Thanks all for the help,
> 
> mike
> 
> At 10:44 AM 11/3/2003 -0500, Alan Robock wrote:
>       Dear Mike,
> 
>       Please let us know what you want to do.
> 
>       Alan
> 
>       Professor Alan Robock
>        Editor, JGR - Atmospheres
>        Director, Center for Environmental Prediction
>       Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-732-932-9478
>       Rutgers University Fax: +1-732-932-8644
>       14 College Farm Road E-mail: robock@envsci.rutgers.edu
>       New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551 USA http://envsci.rutgers.edu/~robock
> 
> 
>       On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, CLIMLIST wrote:
> 
>       > Drs. Robock, Osborn, Briffa, and Jones,
>       >
>       > As you are aware, in the interest of fairness, I have agreed to post a
>       > cordial response to the posting of Dr. Bartlett last week, and then I
>       > will declare the issue closed for discussion on CLIMLIST.
>       >
>       > This morning, I have two messages that are requested to be distributed
>       > -- one from Dr. Robock and the other from Drs. Osborn, Briffa, and
>       > Jones. I really only want to post one of these. Both messages
>       > contained references to the same website, and I appreciate the use of
>       > the website as I had requested. I'm more inclined to post Dr. Robock's
>       > message, because it contains Dr. Mann's words. While I respect the
>       > cordiality and professionalism exhibited by the message of Drs. Osborn,
>       > Briffa, and Jones, would you all be in agreement if I posted the message
>       > from Dr. Robock instead?
>       >
>       > Below are the two messages for your information.
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       > Dear Bob,
>       >
>       > Here is the response from Mike Mann. It provides a link to a web page
>       > by Osborn, Briffa, and Jones:
>       >
>       > http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/paleo/
>       >
>       > which provides a link to the response by Mann, Bradley and Hughes:
>       >
>       > http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/paleo/EandEPaperProblem.pdf
>       >
>       > Please post it to CLIMLIST.
>       >
>       > Alan
>       >
>       > Professor Alan Robock
>       > Editor, JGR - Atmospheres
>       > Director, Center for Environmental Prediction
>       > Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-732-932-9478
>       > Rutgers University Fax: +1-732-932-8644
>       > 14 College Farm Road E-mail: robock@envsci.rutgers.edu
>       > New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551 USA http://envsci.rutgers.edu/~robock
>       >
>       >
>       > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>       > Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:50:38 -0500
>       > From: Michael E. Mann <mann@virginia.edu>
>       > Subject: E&E paper responses
>       >
>       > Dear Colleagues,
>       >
>       > Tim Osborn, Keith Briffa, and Phil Jones of the University of East
>       > Anglia have posted a commentary on the recent paper by McIntyre and
>       > McKitrick (Energy and Environment, 14, 751-771, 2003) which claimed to
>       > provide an "audit" of the analysis of Mann, Bradley and Hughes (Nature,
>       > 392, 779-787, 1998; hereafter MBH98), with a link to our response to the
>       > paper here:
>       >
>       > http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/paleo/
>       >
>       > I imagine that the additional information provided will place a very
>       > different perspective on the matter.
>       >
>       > Please feel free to forward this information to anyone who you feel
>       > might benefit from it.
>       >
>       > Best regards,
>       >
>       > Mike Mann
>       >
>       > ______________________________________________________________
>       > Professor Michael E. Mann
>       > Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
>       > University of Virginia
>       > Charlottesville, VA 22903
>       > _______________________________________________________________________
>       > e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137
>       > http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       >
>       > f055 wrote:
>       > > Dear Dr. Rohli,
>       > >
>       > > here follows a short response to the posting that was highlighting the
>       > > McIntyre and McKitrick paper, posted (I think) by Prof. Bartlett. I hope it
>       > > is in
>       > > a suitable format and style for CLIMLIST and can be posted as it stands.
>       > > If not, please advise me how to change it so that it is suitable.
>       > >
>       > > --------------------------------
>       > >
>       > > This is a response to the posting related to the McIntyre and McKitrick
>       > > (Energy and Environment, 14, 751-771, 2003) study of the Northern
>       > > Hemisphere temperature reconstruction previously published by Mann,
>       > > Bradley and Hughes (Nature, 392, 779-787, 1998; hereafter MBH98).
>       > >
>       > > We suggest that those interested in the claim made by McIntyre and
>       > > McKitrick (MM) should also read the initial response from Mann and his
>       > > colleagues.
>       > >
>       > > We have posted their initial response on our website for those interested
>       > > in this issue:
>       > >
>       > > http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/paleo/
>       > >
>       > > According to this initial response, it looks likely that there are serious
>       > > questions regarding the manner in which MM have attempted to
>       > > implement the Mann et al. method, and specific problems with the
>       > > selection of predictors.
>       > >
>       > > Amazingly, the journal "Energy and Environment" that published the MM
>       > > work, made no attempt to provide Mann et al. with the opportunity to review
>       > > the MM paper or establish the details of the MM work.
>       > >
>       > > Objective readers, with a desire to get to the "truth" of this issue, would do
>       > > well not to jump to premature conclusions and, unlike Energy and
>       > > Environment, at least allow these respected, experienced, and invariably
>       > > careful researchers the courtesy of a considered response, after they
>       > > have had time to study the so-called audit in detail.
>       > >
>       > > Tim Osborn
>       > > Keith Briffa
>       > > Phil Jones
>       > >
>       > > -------------------------------
>       > >
>       > >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       > ------------------------------------------------------------------
>       > Robert V. Rohli
>       > Southern Regional Climate Center, Dept of Geography and Anthropology
>       > Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, LA 70803-4105 U.S.A.
>       > +1-225-578-6137 (phone) * +1-225-578-2912 (fax) * climlist@srcc.lsu.edu
>       >
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
>  Professor Michael E. Mann
>  Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
>  University of Virginia
>  Charlottesville, VA 22903
> _______________________________________________________________________
> e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137
>  http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml
> 

