cc: Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>, Eystein Jansen <eystein.jansen@geo.uib.no>
date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:32:44 -0700
from: Jonathan Overpeck <jto@u.arizona.edu>
subject: Re: [Wg1-ar4-ch06] SOD boreholes
to: Henry Pollack <hpollack@umich.edu>

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Henry, Great, thanks! (congrats on the AGU honor 
too - just saw it in EOS - well deserved)
Keith, thanks for working this in as you think best. Best, peck

>Hi Keith and Peck,
>
>Attached is the revised borehole piece, with some explicit mention of
>uncertainty and some slight rephrasing in the first paragraph.
>
>Cheers,
>Henry
>  ___    ___    Henry N. Pollack
>[   \  /   ]   Professor of Geophysics
>  |   \/   |    Department of Geological Sciences
>  |MICHIGAN|    University of Michigan
>[___]\/[___]   Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1005, U.S.A.
>
>  Phone: 734-763-0084   FAX: 734-763-4690
>  e-mail: hpollack@umich.edu
>  URL:  www.geo.lsa.umich.edu/~hpollack/
>  URL:  www-personal.umich.edu/~hpollack/book.html
>
>
>Quoting Henry Pollack <hpollack@umich.edu>:
>
>>
>>Hi Keith and Peck,
>>
>>OK, I will add a sentence about uncertainty, confidence limits of the
>>borehole reconstruction. Keith, please send me the change you made
>>'at the end' (mentioned in your message below), so I can see the best
>>place to add the uncertainty sentence.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Henry
>>
>>
>>  ___    ___    Henry N. Pollack
>>[   \  /   ]   Professor of Geophysics
>>  |   \/   |    Department of Geological Sciences
>>  |MICHIGAN|    University of Michigan
>>[___]\/[___]   Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1005, U.S.A.
>>
>>  Phone: 734-763-0084   FAX: 734-763-4690
>>  e-mail: hpollack@umich.edu
>>  URL:  www.geo.lsa.umich.edu/~hpollack/
>>  URL:  www-personal.umich.edu/~hpollack/book.html
>>
>>
>>Quoting Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>:
>>
>>>Henry
>>>I understood that the previous draft was in fact going to CAs , so
>>>sorry if you were out of the loop for a while. I am really happy
>>>with your text , but would like some mention of the uncertainty to
>>>go back in as we can not but the confidence limits in the Figure.
>>>Could reconsider those one or two sentences that deal with this?I
>>>have only changed one sentence a the end to make it read easier.
>>>Thanks for this .
>>>Keith
>>># At 22:03 12/02/2006, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Peck, Eystein and Keith,
>>>>
>>>>Attached in Borehole SOD.doc is a 'rewrite' of the borehole stuff.
>>>>You will recognize the 'rewrite', as it still addresses everything
>>>>in
>>>>the FOD draft sent to me, with much the same language. It is,
>>>>however, an improvement in
>>>>structure, and has a more balanced discussion. Keith, if you want
>>>>more insight into why I
>>>>have presented the material this way, I'll be happy to elaborate.
>>>>
>>>>The rewrite occupies lines 32-57 of page 6-30 SOD and lines 1-12 of
>>>>page 6-31.
>>>>
>>>>Also attached is the full SOD template with the 'rewrite' and
>>>>references inserted. It is not clear from your instructions that
>>>>you wanted this to be done, but now you have it if you want it.
>>>>
>>>>Also attached are my replies to the reviewers of the FOD.
>>>>
>>>>I am sending everything today (Sunday), so everyone will get it as
>>>>early as possible.
>>>>
>>>>Some additional comments in areas outside the narrowly defined
>>>>'borehole' section:
>>>>
>>>>In Figure 6.9b, I recommend removing the instrumental record prior
>>>>to 1860, because it
>>>>apparently represents only four European stations. The figure is
>>>>captioned to represent
>>>>the entire northern hemisphere.
>>>>
>>>>In section 6.6.2 Southern Hemisphere Temperature Variability page
>>>>6-32, lines 56-57: The
>>>>two geothermal reconstructions shown, for southern Africa and
>>>>Australia, do NOT indicate
>>>>unusually warm conditions prevailing in the 20th century. Both
>>>>reconstructions miss the
>>>>rapid warming in the last two decades of the 20th century because
>>>>many of the boreholes
>>>>were logged prior to that excursion. The two reconstructions do
>>>>match well the pre-1980
>>>>SAT trends. I discuss this in a paper now in review by J.
>>>>Quaternary Sci., titled "Five
>>>>centuries of climate change in Australia: the view from
>>>>underground." The southern
>>>>hemisphere is NOT discussed in Pollack and Smerdon (2004), which
>>>>you have cited there.
>>>>
>>>>If you will find it helpful, I can scan the entire chapter and
>>>>provide comments, but
>>>>perhaps that could wait until you have passed the immediate
>>>>deadline in front of you.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Henry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ___    ___    Henry N. Pollack
>>>>[   \  /   ]   Professor of Geophysics
>>>>  |   \/   |    Department of Geological Sciences
>>>>  |MICHIGAN|    University of Michigan
>>>>[___]\/[___]   Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1005, U.S.A.
>>>>
>>>>  Phone: 734-763-0084   FAX: 734-763-4690
>>>>  e-mail: hpollack@umich.edu
>>>>  URL:  www.geo.lsa.umich.edu/~hpollack/
>>>>  URL:  www-personal.umich.edu/~hpollack/book.html
>>>>
>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>Quoting Jonathan Overpeck <jto@u.arizona.edu>:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Henry - yes, it's true, but that's why we all get things done. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>We have a serious space problem with the chapter, and need to
>>>>>generally reduce it's size. However, if you nee a couple more
>>>>>lines to do it well, and to get the proper refs in there (there
>>>>>are undoubtedly new ones?), you may do so. We can always cut
>>>>>later... (so don't add more than just a few lines max).
>>>>>
>>>>>As soon as you're done, pls email to me, Eystein and Keith. The
>>>>>sooner Keith can finish the complete section, the sooner we can
>>>>>all look at it and edit.
>>>>>
>>>>>The NAS/NRC mtg is at a crappy time. I can't travel then since I'm
>>>>>alone w/ the kids, but I've been discussing helping by phone if
>>>>>possible. The problem is that March 3 (the day they really want my
>>>>>input) is the deadline for the SOD. If it's anything like last
>>>>>time (FOD), I won't have time but for a quick trip to the bathroom
>>>>>now and then to recycle coffee. But, I'm glad to hear you're in
>>>>>the loop. I might still be able to help, since we're trying to do
>>>>>this so it isn't a madhouse at the very end.
>>>>>
>>>>>Best, peck
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Peck,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, I will be working weekends -- don't we always??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Are you attending the NAS/NRC hearing on surface temperature
>>>>>>reconstructions on March 2?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I will take you up on the invitation to (re)write the 40 lines of the
>>>>>>borehole section.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>Henry
>>>>>>  ___    ___    Henry N. Pollack
>>>>>>[   \  /   ]   Professor of Geophysics
>>>>>>  |   \/   |    Department of Geological Sciences
>>>>>>  |MICHIGAN|    University of Michigan
>>>>>>[___]\/[___]   Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1005, U.S.A.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Phone: 734-763-0084   FAX: 734-763-4690
>>>>>>  e-mail: hpollack@umich.edu
>>>>>>  URL:  www.geo.lsa.umich.edu/~hpollack/
>>>>>>  URL:  www-personal.umich.edu/~hpollack/book.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Quoting Jonathan Overpeck <jto@u.arizona.edu>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Henry - see the notes below on how to best update your section
>>>>>>>using the attached files (and comments you already have).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Julie is flying to Germany tomorrow, so I'll be single-parenting and
>>>>>>>my email will be at night on the weekend. If you have urgent need for
>>>>>>>input, you can call me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>970-728-0780 (home)
>>>>>>>520-907-6480 (cell - only good if I'm in town - best to use home on
>>>>>>>weekends, and cell weekdays)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks again, peck
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2
>>>>>>>>Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:59:33 +0100
>>>>>>>>To: wg1-ar4-ch06@joss.ucar.edu
>>>>>>>>From: Eystein Jansen <Eystein.Jansen@geo.uib.no>
>>>>>>>>Subject: [Wg1-ar4-ch06] SOD- template and FOD document
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>>>>>>>>Dear friends,
>>>>>>>>In preparation for your rewriting of  the FOD as SOD, we send you
>>>>>>>>the following documents.
>>>>>>>>1. A new template for the FOD which is restructured so that the
>>>>>>>>decisions on structure we made in Christchurch have been taken into
>>>>>>>>account. We also send you the word version of the FOD which is the
>>>>>>>>final version used for the review, in case you do not have this.
>>>>>>>>This is the version for which the comments refer to.
>>>>>>>>In the rewriting we would ask you to rewrite into the SOD template
>>>>>>>>document, thus:
>>>>>>>>1. Find the relevant comment or section to be rewritten in the FOD.
>>>>>>>>2. Then the corresponding section in the SOD document, and rewrrite
>>>>>>>>the text there. References should also be inserted into the SOD
>>>>>>>>document.
>>>>>>>>You have to work in parallel with both documents, but we do not see
>>>>>>>>any way around this in order to arrive at a SOD without too many
>>>>>>>>problems of technical sort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheers, and best luck.
>>>>>>>>Peck and Eystein
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>______________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>Eystein Jansen
>>>>>>>>Professor/Director
>>>>>>>>Bjerknes Centre for Climate Research and
>>>>>>>>Dep. of Earth Science, Univ. of Bergen
>>>>>>>>Allgaten 55
>>>>>>>>N-5007 Bergen
>>>>>>>>NORWAY
>>>>>>>>e-mail: eystein.jansen@geo.uib.no
>>>>>>>>Phone:  +47-55-583491  -  Home: +47-55-910661
>>>>>>>>Fax:    +47-55-584330
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Jonathan T. Overpeck
>>>>>>>Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth
>>>>>>>Professor, Department of Geosciences
>>>>>>>Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mail and Fedex Address:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Institute for the Study of Planet Earth
>>>>>>>715 N. Park Ave. 2nd Floor
>>>>>>>University of Arizona
>>>>>>>Tucson, AZ 85721
>>>>>>>direct tel: +1 520 622-9065
>>>>>>>fax: +1 520 792-8795
>>>>>>>http://www.geo.arizona.edu/
>>>>>>>http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jonathan T. Overpeck
>>>>>Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth
>>>>>Professor, Department of Geosciences
>>>>>Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences
>>>>>
>>>>>Mail and Fedex Address:
>>>>>
>>>>>Institute for the Study of Planet Earth
>>>>>715 N. Park Ave. 2nd Floor
>>>>>University of Arizona
>>>>>Tucson, AZ 85721
>>>>>direct tel: +1 520 622-9065
>>>>>fax: +1 520 792-8795
>>>>>http://www.geo.arizona.edu/
>>>>>http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Professor Keith Briffa,
>>>Climatic Research Unit
>>>University of East Anglia
>>>Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
>>>
>>>Phone: +44-1603-593909
>>>Fax: +44-1603-507784
>>>
>>>http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:Boreholes SOD 1.doc (WDBN/IC) (001134E6)


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Professor, Department of Geosciences
Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences

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