date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:28:03 -0400
from: Edward Cook <drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu>
subject: Re: Fwd: revised NH comparison manuscript
to: Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>

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Yeah, "moot" is the proper term. I will try to be mute on the issue 
for a while now.

I just got out of jury duty. I almost got on a  jury for a murder 
trial with possible sequestering. My scheduled trip with Nic for his 
Uni orientation the end of this month saved the day.

Cheers,

Ed

>take your point re that's enough - but I have to point out your 
>Freudian slip re "moot point" or as you would have it when associted 
>with Mike Mann - hopefully "Mute point"  !
>love to Michelle
>Keith
>
>
>At 09:32 AM 7/15/03 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hi Keith,
>>
>>Thanks for the paper and help in toning down Mike's efforts to put 
>>a stake in the Esper heart. I quickly read the paragraph you 
>>mention. Undoubtedly part of what is said is true, but it doesn't 
>>explain it all of the differences between the original MBH 
>>reconstruction and any of the other NH recons. Now that Mike has 
>>moved on to a totally new NH recon, I suppose all of this is a mute 
>>point. However, your Blowing Hot and Cold piece clearly showed that 
>>the MBH estimates were undoubtedly deficient in low-frequency 
>>variability compared to ANY other recon. Enough said. I need to 
>>enjoy myself.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>>Ed
>>>Thought you should see this (in confidence) . Have succeeded in 
>>>getting reasonable citation to your work and much toning down of 
>>>criticism of Esper et al in first draft  ( see last paragraph 
>>>before Section C) . Cheers
>>>Keith
>>>
>>>P.S.  Do not ask me why Ray, Malcolm and Phil are on this cause I 
>>>don't know - work cam out of stuff Tim did with Scott when 
>>>visiting there last year.
>>>
>>>>Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:51:09 -0400
>>>>Subject: revised NH comparison manuscript
>>>>Cc: Mike Mann <mann@virginia.edu>
>>>>To: Malcolm Hughes <mhughes@ltrr.arizona.edu>,
>>>>    Raymond Bradley <rbradley@geo.umass.edu>, Tim Osborn 
>>>><t.osborn@uea.ac.uk>,
>>>>    Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>, Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
>>>>From: Scott Rutherford <srutherford@gso.uri.edu>
>>>>X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Attached to this e-mail is a revision of the northern hemisphere 
>>>>comparison manuscript. First some general comments. I tried as 
>>>>best as possible to incorporate everyone's suggestions. Typically 
>>>>this meant adding/deleting or clarifying text. There were cases 
>>>>where we disagreed with the suggested changes and tried to 
>>>>clarify in the text why.
>>>>
>>>>In this next round of changes I encourage everyone to make 
>>>>specific suggestions in terms of wording and references (e.g. 
>>>>Rutherford et al. GRL 1967 instead of "see my GRL paper").  I 
>>>>also encourage everyone to make suggestions directly in the file 
>>>>in coloured text or by using Microsquish Word's "Track Changes" 
>>>>function (this will save me deciphering cryptic penmanship; 
>>>>although I confess, my writing is worse than anyone's). If you 
>>>>would prefer to use the editing functions in Adobe Acrobat let me 
>>>>know and I will send a PDF file. If you still feel strongly that 
>>>>I have not adequately addressed an issue please say so.
>>>>I will incorporate the suggestions from this upcoming round into 
>>>>a manuscript to be submitted. After review, everyone will get a 
>>>>crack at it again.
>>>>
>>>>I will not detail every change made (if anyone wants the file 
>>>>with the changes tracked I can send it).  Here are the major 
>>>>changes:
>>>>
>>>>1) removal of mixed-hybrid approach and revised discussions/figures
>>>>2) removal of CE scores from the verification tables
>>>>3) downscaling of the Esper comparison to a single figure panel 
>>>>and one paragraph.
>>>>4) revised discussion of spatial maps and revised figure (figure 8).
>>>>5) seasonal comparisons have been revised
>>>>
>>>>Several suggestions have been made for where to submit. These are 
>>>>listed on page 1 of the manuscript. Please indicate your 
>>>>preference ASAP and I will tally the votes.
>>>>
>>>>I would like to submit by late July, so if you could please get 
>>>>me comments by say July 15 that would be great. I will send out a 
>>>>reminder in early July.  If I don't hear from you by July 15 I 
>>>>will assume that you are comfortable with the manuscript.
>>>>
>>>>Please let me know if you have difficulty with the file or would 
>>>>prefer a different format.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>______________________________________________
>>>>                       Scott Rutherford
>>>>
>>>>Marine Research Scientist
>>>>Graduate School of Oceanography
>>>>University of Rhode Island
>>>>e-mail: srutherford@gso.uri.edu
>>>>phone: (401) 874-6599
>>>>fax: (401) 874-6811
>>>>snail mail:
>>>>South Ferry Road
>>>>Narragansett, RI 02882
>>>
>>>--
>>>Professor Keith Briffa,
>>>Climatic Research Unit
>>>University of East Anglia
>>>Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
>>>
>>>Phone: +44-1603-593909
>>>Fax: +44-1603-507784
>>>
>>>http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/
>>>
>>>Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:nhcomparison_v7_1.doc 
>>>(WDBN/MSWD) (0008AC53)
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>>
>>--
>>==================================
>>Dr. Edward R. Cook
>>Doherty Senior Scholar and
>>Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory
>>Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
>>Palisades, New York 10964  USA
>>Email:  drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu
>>Phone:  845-365-8618
>>Fax:    845-365-8152
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>
>--
>Professor Keith Briffa,
>Climatic Research Unit
>University of East Anglia
>Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
>
>Phone: +44-1603-593909
>Fax: +44-1603-507784
>
>http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/


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Dr. Edward R. Cook
Doherty Senior Scholar and
Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Palisades, New York 10964  USA
Email:	drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu
Phone:	845-365-8618
Fax:	845-365-8152
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