date: Thu Mar 17 15:05:38 2005
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: BBC E-mail: New row on climate 'hockey stick'
to: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@virginia.edu>

    Mike,
       If you do it's worth sending also to this guy, Alex Kirkby.
    "Alex Kirby" <alex.kirby@bbc.co.uk>
      This guys higher up.  He got them to check more the items they post
    on their web site from members of the public.
      Just finished my call with Paul Olding.  Their filming will be done in May
    for September showing.  Mentioned all the paleo series and have just sent
    him the Rev Geophys paper.
    Cheers
    Phil
   At 14:27 17/03/2005, you wrote:

     Hi Phil,
     Might be worth sending in a letter of complaint to BBC. They should know that the
     scientific community is unhappy w/ their flawed reporting on these matters.
     I've already brought this up w/ Ben Dempsey (who is supposed to call me shortly--sounds
     like you're talking to a different person at Horizon),
     mike
     At 03:26 AM 3/17/2005, Phil Jones wrote:

      Ray,
         I tried to convince the reporter here there wasn't a story, but he went with it
     anyway.
      At least he put in a quote from me that there are loads of other series that show
      similar-ish series to MBH and MJ. Had to mention the Moberg et al series to achieve
     this.
          The reporter said he'd not seen Moberg et al., and it wasn't flagged up by Nature
      to them at the appropriate time. Odd !  Then why are you running with this GRL paper
      as there are 10s issued each week. Well, it turns out, not surprisingly, that MM have
      issued numerous press releases themselves - using their networks.
          Waterhouse is at Anglian Polytechnic Uni (APU) - it's in Cambridge and Chelmsford.
      Keith said what does John Waterhouse know about paleo - my thoughts also !
      We've worked with John several years ago on an isotopes in trees project, that didn't
      produce much. APU is OK when it comes to counselling studies. Ruth works for them
      teaching at Yarmouth !
          His quote is typical of many I get to here. Pity the reporter didn't mention this
     to me.
      My response would have been what is the point of doing any more paleo work, if we
      are constrained by the answer we are allowed to get. If we don't have the MWP and LIA
      then we are wrong. We have orders of magnitude more data than when these came into
      vogue in the 1960s, but we still are expected to find them.
      Cheers
      Phil
      Cheers
      Phil
     At 17:20 16/03/2005, you wrote:

     ray saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you
     should see it.
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     Anglia Polytechnic?!!!!
     ** New row on climate 'hockey stick' **
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     warming debate: the so-called "hockey stick" graph.
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