cc: raymond s.bradley <rbradley@geo.umass.edu>, Steve Schneider <shs@stanford.edu>, Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>, mhughes@ltrr.arizona.edu, mann@multiproxy.evsc.virginia.edu, Scott Rutherford <srutherford@rwu.edu>
date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:32:25 -0500
from: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@virginia.edu>
subject: Re: FW: The Mann et al "Hockey Stick" Corrected II
to: Mike MacCracken <mmaccrac@comcast.net>

   p.s. Mike, any appearance of "gloating" over the mistake that had been made by Scott, was
   incorrectly perceived. I was a bit excited, I suppose, about having established the fact
   that I knew we hadn't, in fact, made a mistake--very relieved, and perhaps gloating a bit
   with respect to that. Sorry this was wrongly taken by some...
   But the authors were given the correct information, the publically available link, and I
   think Scott is sending out a full transcript of the exchanges between them which will make
   it clear that Scott's efforts were in good faith. Scott--I didn't receive this yet. Can you
   make sure these folks get this...
   mike
   At 09:12 AM 10/29/2003 -0500, Mike MacCracken wrote:

     A good example of why making sure they got good data would have relieved everyone of
     having to try to catch up with this wildfire of misinformation.
     Mike
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     Subject: The Mann et al "Hockey Stick" Corrected II
     Dear all,
     question has been risen what is this Energy & Environment, which allows free access to
     its article
     McIntyre, Stephen and Ross McKitrick, 2003. Corrections to the Mann et. al. (1998) Proxy
     Data Base and  Northern Hemispheric Average Temperature Series. Energy & Environment
     Vol. 14, No 6, pp. 751-771, October 26, 2003
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     Now, three interesting pictures:
     1)      The well-known Mann et al. Hockey stick, adapted by the IPCC
     2)      The original Mann et al. reconstruction and the correction made
     3)      Both, using 20 year running mean
     The discrepancy is, well, astonishing .
     The same data, but results differ?
     I hope Mann et al will response revealing their methodologies and analysing, whether
     there are differences in methodologies used.
     All the best
     Timo Hmeranta
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     shows only a lack of imagination".  (Kari Enqvist)
     "If the facts change, I'll change my opinion.
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                       Professor Michael E. Mann
              Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
                         University of Virginia
                        Charlottesville, VA 22903
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