date: Fri Jul 10 11:30:05 2009
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Past temperatures
to: "Ken Mourin" <ken.mourin@virgin.net>

    Ken,
       You've obviously been to the site, but the page is
    [1]http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html
    The most relevant chapter to proving the warming is down to us is
    Ch 9.
    The current warming cannot be explained unless climate models are
    told about increases in greenhouse gases.  Without this, with 3 large
    volcanic eruptions and a slight decline in solar output, we should be
    cooling.
     Only back for today. Away all next week. Here again from July 20.
    Best Regards
    Phil
   At 20:34 08/07/2009, you wrote:

     Dear Professor Jones
        Many thanks for your prompt reply - I'd be delighted to have references to past
     global temperatures and CO2 levels, for my sources are I suspect secondary, and I
     haven't been able to track down the originals.  They suggests that only on one occasion,
     about 125,000 years ago, has the sea level risen above present levels - and that sea
     levels are now steady.
        Your last para says that CO2 levels are rising faster than ever before. This may be
     totally irrelevant IF CO2 does not cause a rise in temperature. The graphs I have
     available show that temperature rose 4-1200 years BEFORE the CO2, and the CO2 remained
     high for up to 20,000 years after the temperature returned to normal.  This would
     suggest that temperature rises caused the increased CO2 release, probably from the sea
     and the wetlands. One factor I have yet to see mentioned is that the greatly increased
     energy usage of the last hundred years has resulted in higher heat output from simple
     thermodynamics - energy expended tends to end up as heat.
        So far I remain unconvinced by the IPCC reports - I have downloaded and partly read
     the one you kindly drew my attention to.  I also have previously read most of the Idso
     and Singer report of the NIPCC at www heartlands.org. and the earlier NIPCC counterblast
     which exposed some of the gross errors ( the J-shaped curve, the fiddling of the
     figures, the political manipulation of the final report , the false attribution to many
     scientists who were not really involved, etc.)
        Sorry if I sound an unregenerate "denier", but I am genuinely perplexed, and also
     fearful of the enormous economic costs of political actions based on what seems to be
     unscientific and frankly bandwagoning politicians.  I also believe that the earth has
     much more comprehensive corrective capabilities than we currently give it credit for.
     Furthermore, as a few East Coast denizens have shown recently, it only requires a few
     men and a bucket and spade or two (loosely speaking!) to build up coastal defences to
     stop maritime flooding.  More attention to drainage ditches and the slowing of water
     drainage could help a lot of inland damage too.
        Rant over!  I look forward to hearing from you further.
        Kindest regards
     Ken Mourin
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   Prof. Phil Jones
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