date: Fri Jul 11 09:30:28 2008
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Fwd: Re: AW: my definite draft version posed to discussion,      
to: d.efthymiadis@uea.ac.uk

    And the other one.
    Phil

     Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:14:18 +0200
     To: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
     From: David Frank <david.frank@wsl.ch>
     Subject: Re: AW: my definite draft version posed to discussion,
      correcting and completing
     Cc: ulf.buentgen@wsl.ch, Rob Wilson <rob.wilson@ed.ac.uk>
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     Hi Phil,  (cc: Ulf, Rob)
     The Pyrenees record and preprint are attached.
     Although this was not treated as a regional reconstruction publication, i would contact
     Rob to see about including t(his) Alpine record.
     Agreed about the smoothing. Thanks. Interestingly, simple and not often thought about
     decisions (e.g, fit first and then smooth or vice versa) often have non-trivial
     consequences.
     cheers,
     David
     cc. Ulf, Rob

      David,
         The Pyrenees record sounds a useful inclusion - they aren't that far from the Alps.
      I'm keen to only use results from papers that have produced a reconstruction.
      I'm aware of what Keith and Tom are doing here with others from the old project,
      but this work is still ongoing.
        So maybe you can send the Pyrenees reconstruction, or should I contact Ulf.
      Reinhard is supposed to be sending me some more series he has collected.
      This may include the lakes stuff you mention.
        Rob Wilson's work if there is a reconstruction would be useful.
        Smoothing the series highlights the differences more than the plot in your abstract
      where the interannual timescale is highlighted.
      Cheers
      Phil
     At 17:03 09/07/2008, you wrote:

     Hi Phil,
     Perhaps other T-records not on the list might include: Rob Wilson's compilation for the
     Alps used in D'Arrigo et al. 2006 and additional glacial records from
     Haberli/Holzhauser. I guess Keith and Tom were working towards putting together lots of
     long-term tree-ring data including material from the WSL, Grabner & Nicolussi (Austria),
     Urbinati/Carrer (Italy) for a definitive Alpine tree-ring reconstruction. Either such a
     composite or some of these individual records should be included. If not loosing the
     spatial focus to much for you, it might also be reasonable to consider Ulf's new
     reconstruction for the Pyrenees (in press at Clim Dyn). There is a a bunch of stuff from
     lakes recently published (Alex Blass / Martin Grosjean), but i am not too familiar with
     this.
     We are currently producing a composite record of different MXD chronologies (Ulf's
     Ltschental, the old Lauenen record, and some newer data from Kurt Nicolussi from Tirol
     - Keith and Tom have these records) but focusing on extremes rather than long-term
     variations. The goal is to compare this with Pfisters work. Giovanna Battipaglia (a post
     doc) is working on this.
     Many people are starting to measure longer isotope series from tree-rings. However, I am
     not sure if /when these might turn into formal climate reconstructions....
     Not sure if this helps much. At least the list of "usual suspects" is slowly lengthening
     with time!
     I attach an abstract that i put together for a meeting. This was closely related to some
     text/work that i did in thinking about the proxy-instrumental comparisons and Reinhards
     current paper.
     cheers,
     David
     At 15:22 Uhr +0100 9.7.2008, Phil Jones wrote:

      David,
         I have plans to write-up what was planned at the end of ALP-IMP.
      This was what was in WP9. I have a draft paper from almost 2 years ago.
      Reinhard is going to send me all the proxy data/sources that he
      has collected in the last year or so.  I still have Dimitrios
      here and he has started doing some plots and correlations.
         For trees we have the series from Ulf's papers which have
      publication dates in 2005 and 2006. Are there others that we should be
      using?  I wanted to mainly stick to the GAR and continental Europe.
      Not keen to go much further afield with more distant proxies. Also
      trying to stick to the period since 1500. Apart from Ulf's series
      we also have the grape-harvest dates from Meier and Chiune et al,
      Jurg Luterbacher's reconstructions, Mangini et al's stalagmite
      and also the Oerlemans reconstruction based on glacier lengths.
      If there are others you think we should be using, can you point us
      to papers or to the data.
      Cheers
      Phil

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