cc: Edward Cook <drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu>, Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>,Paul Krusic <pjk@ldeo.columbia.edu>
date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:45:55 +0000
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Any ideas?
to: Edward Cook <drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu>

    Ed,
       A guy from Bhutan came to the meeting we had in Pune in 2005.
    His name will be in the author list of the attached paper, but the series
    he had for Bhutan were all very short. I seem to recall the late 1980s,
    which just about worked with the software we were using with all
    the participants at the meeting.
      I guess we could do something with the data. We'd need to work
    out a new base period and then grid the absolute (say 1985-2005)
    and then use the anomalies to get 20 year time series. It is probably
    doable, but might take a bit of effort. It depends on who we have
    who can run the software here. Also need a high-res elevation dataset
    which we have - well at 10 min resolution.
       Let's talk about this next year.
      The proposal doesn't seem to promise much updating.
      Rob should be careful. I heard he was talking to McIntyre
    at a coffee place and the whole place could hear what they were
    saying. Rob was saying things like - don't use this on the website.
    I reckon sooner or later Rob will realise his new friend isn't one
    after all.
    Cheers
    Phil
   At 12:25 21/12/2006, Edward Cook wrote:

     Hi Phil,
     Believe it or not, I also peeked at Climate Audit last week as well
     to see what McIntyre had to say. He was actually rather low-key on
     the hockeystick session, although he was rather ugly as usual in
     criticizing past work including that done by Keith. However, Rob
     Wilson is evidently his new friend now. I warned Rob not to trust him
     because McIntyre will only use him for information to criticize the
     field. I too am rather puzzled by reference to Bunn and Lloyd getting
     NSF money to update chronologies. It is the first I have heard of it.
     I just went on the NSF website and found the proposal that has been
     funded: Award Abstract #0612341 Collaborative Research/RUI: Past,
     Present and Future Productivity of Arctic Woody Vegetation in a
     Warming Climate. I have attached a pdf from the website page that
     includes the proposal abstract. It does mention doing some chronology
     updates for looking at the "divergence" problem.
     Getting back to met records from Asia, do you have any from Bhutan?
     There is a reasonable chance that I can get data for as many as 82
     stations there (see the attached Excel file). The problem, if it is
     one, is that the station records only start in 1985. Would they still
     be useful to you? If so, now for a possible catch. If I can get
     basically all of the Bhutan met data for you, would it be possible
     for you to produce high-resolution (say like your 10' European data)
     interpolated fields of tmp and ppt for Bhutan? That would be a huge
     development for Bhutan, and Paul and I would produce a climate atlas
     for Bhutan from the data in our collaboration with the Met Office
     there. Paul and I are really trying to push the science in Bhutan and
     we both think this would be a great thing to do. It would also make
     it easier for the Bhutanese to share the data with us.
     Cheers,
     Ed
     ￼￼
     ==================================
     Dr. Edward R. Cook
     Doherty Senior Scholar and
     Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory
     Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
     Palisades, New York 10964  USA
     Email: drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu
     Phone: 845-365-8618
     Fax: 845-365-8152
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     On Dec 21, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Phil Jones wrote:

      Ed,

             I see on the Climate Audit web site (that I occasionally
     look at)
      that at the AGU last week, there was a talk by Andy Bunn and
      Andrea Lloyd. According to McIntyre, they are updating chronologies
      around the world (funded by NSF). Have you ever heard of them?
        Have a great Christmas and New Year!
      Phil
     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     NR4 7TJ
     UK
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     Hi Phil,
     Believe it or not, I also peeked at Climate Audit last week as well to see what McIntyre
     had to say. He was actually rather low-key on the hockeystick session, although he was
     rather ugly as usual in criticizing past work including that done by Keith. However, Rob
     Wilson is evidently his new friend now. I warned Rob not to trust him because McIntyre
     will only use him for information to criticize the field. I too am rather puzzled by
     reference to Bunn and Lloyd getting NSF money to update chronologies. It is the first I
     have heard of it. I just went on the NSF website and found the proposal that has been
     funded: Award Abstract #0612341 Collaborative Research/RUI: Past, Present and Future
     Productivity of Arctic Woody Vegetation in a Warming Climate. I have attached a pdf from
     the website page that includes the proposal abstract. It does mention doing some
     chronology updates for looking at the "divergence" problem.
     Getting back to met records from Asia, do you have any from Bhutan? There is a
     reasonable chance that I can get data for as many as 82 stations there (see the attached
     Excel file). The problem, if it is one, is that the station records only start in 1985.
     Would they still be useful to you? If so, now for a possible catch. If I can get
     basically all of the Bhutan met data for you, would it be possible for you to produce
     high-resolution (say like your 10' European data) interpolated fields of tmp and ppt for
     Bhutan? That would be a huge development for Bhutan, and Paul and I would produce a
     climate atlas for Bhutan from the data in our collaboration with the Met Office there.
     Paul and I are really trying to push the science in Bhutan and we both think this would
     be a great thing to do. It would also make it easier for the Bhutanese to share the data
     with us.
     Cheers,
     Ed
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     Dr. Edward R. Cook
     Doherty Senior Scholar and
     Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory
     Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
     Palisades, New York 10964  USA
     Email: [1]drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu
     Phone: 845-365-8618
     Fax: 845-365-8152
     ==================================
     On Dec 21, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Phil Jones wrote:

      Ed,

             I see on the Climate Audit web site (that I occasionally look at)
      that at the AGU last week, there was a talk by Andy Bunn and
      Andrea Lloyd. According to McIntyre, they are updating chronologies
      around the world (funded by NSF). Have you ever heard of them?
        Have a great Christmas and New Year!
      Phil
     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    [2]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     NR4 7TJ
     UK
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   Prof. Phil Jones
   Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
   School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
   University of East Anglia
   Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
   NR4 7TJ
   UK
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