date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:01:46 +0000
from: Trevor Davies <t.d.davies@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: panel presentation
to: Mike Hulme <m.hulme@uea.ac.uk>

Mike,

Think you've played the right line. It would suit us better than 2 would
suit IC - as you say. Us being at a disadvantage if our 3 included Launder
is a moot pont. Let's see what the 29th brings!

TRevor


Trevor
At 10:32 17/02/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Trevor et al., 
>
>I have argued our case with Ian Dwyer for just 2 presenters and he
>understands this.  A final decision will wait until after the 29th.
>Clearly if we are allowed 'up to 3' then since IC will go with three we
>would be at a disadvantage were we to go with only 2.
>
>The notion of 3 came from EPSRC and ESRC apparently - Sir Crispin strongly
>is in favour of just 2 people - he doesn't want hordes of people.
>Subsequently, IC have also said they would like to have 3 people!  (hence
>my argument to Ian that we prefer only 2 since this would disadvantage IC -
>Grubb and Houghton doesn't quite sound convincing to R.Councils does it?).
>
>It is possible that Brian has lobbied EPSRC I suppose, but maybe we are
>getting a bit paranoid about him!  Jim Halliday at CLRC reckons the
>politics of UMIST would make it very difficult to by-pass Launder.
>
>Panel membership is 15 (but one absentee - I hope it is not Warrilow and
>DETR) and the names will be published after the 29th Feb.
>
>Mike
>
>At 21:02 15/02/00 -0000, you wrote:
>>Do the research councils have reps on the Panel?. My recollection is no-
>>except for Ian. He is acting for all RCs. Us asking for representation
>>across the RCs may offend him.
>>
>>How about responding along the lines;
>>
>>We are perfectly happy with two people. Our consortium is well-integrated
>>enough for us not to have to worry about about having to represent more
>>partners. As far as representation across the RCs is concerned, again, we
>>are comfortable with two people. However, if you think that this is an
>>issue, we are very happy to take your advice on this. (wording needs to be
>>abit more elegant And perhaps stress that we have had 4-5 meetings - be good
>>to get that in, informally)
>>
>>That puts the ball in his court, & gets us off the hook. (&, possibly, him).
>>
>>Trevor
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Mike Hulme <m.hulme@uea.ac.uk>
>>To: <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>; <j.palutikof@uea.ac.uk>; <parryml@aol.com>;
>><r.k.turner@uea.ac.uk>; <p.liss@uea.ac.uk>; <k.brown@uea.ac.uk>;
>><n.adger@geog.canterbury.ac.nz>; <a.watkinson@uea.ac.uk>;
>><t.d.davies@uea.ac.uk>; <m.hulme@uea.ac.uk>; <j.darch@uea.ac.uk>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 5:24 PM
>>Subject: panel presentation
>>
>>
>>> This is most interesting given our earlier discussion!!  I wonder whether
>>> there has been some independent lobbying? (maybe by Imperial? I can't
>>think
>>> Shepherd or Launder really would have done this).
>>>
>>> Assuming this is Ian Dwyer's (RCs) initiative, how do we now respond?  I
>>> feel that it is now easier for us to say we would like 3 people (but can
>>we
>>> exclude Launder still, without causing offence?).
>>>
>>> Options would be:
>>>
>>> Hulme, Shepherd, Jenkins (no ESRC person)
>>> Hulme, Shepherd, Shackley (no EPSRC person)
>>> Hulme, Markvart, Shackley (good RC and Consortium balance, but too
>>junior?)
>>>
>>> Suggestions please, before I take this wider.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:54:14 +0000
>>> >From: "Ian Dwyer" <ijdw@nerc.ac.uk>
>>> >To: <m.hulme@uea.ac.uk>
>>> >Subject:  CCC
>>> >
>>> >Sorry to bother you again Mike
>>> >
>>> >Regarding the attendance of you and/or others at the Panel meeting to
>>> >give a presentation and answer questions, I thought it best to let you
>>> >know the details sooner rather than later (I will confirm formally in
>>> >a letter acknowledging receipt of your bid). -
>>> >
>>> >You will be asked to give a short presentation (up to 10 mins) then
>>> >you will be asked questions (30-40 mins). For you, this will happen
>>> >around 1130 on the day (22 March).
>>> >
>>> >I indicated before that you could send up to two people from your
>>> >consortium. I am interested to know whether you are keen at all to see
>>> >this extended to three people (in view of having to cover 3 RC
>>> >disciplines and more than 2 consortium partners)?
>>> >
>>> >Regards
>>> >Ian
>>> >
>>> >-------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >Ian Dwyer
>>> >Global Change Coordinator
>>> >Natural Environment Research Council
>>> >Polaris House
>>> >North Star Avenue
>>> >Swindon SN2 1EU
>>> >Tel: 01793 411511
>>> >Fax: 01793 411584
>>> >email: i.dwyer@nerc.ac.uk
>>> >
>>> >
>>
>>
>

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