cc: Gavin Schmidt <gschmidt@giss.nasa.gov>
date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:49:03 -0500
from: Michael Mann <mann@meteo.psu.edu>
subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Past Millennia Climate Variability -  Review  Paper]
to: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>

   thanks Phil,
   that's fine w/ me. We could continue to wordsmith and refine, but what would be the point
   if we're going to have to make significant revisions anyway after review. Only reason to
   consult me before submitting again would be if there were disagreement w/ the changes
   suggested.
   as for reviews on boreholes and on varves, I'm drawing a blank.  Jones and Mann '04 is the
   best I can think of!!
   mike
   Phil Jones wrote:

      Gavin, Mike,
          Thanks for the comments. The coral and ice core groups are getting
      together to amend their sections.
         I can get rid of most of that paragraph in the Appendix Gavin. Just alerting
      the reader that the 1990 curve has been used is enough.
         Would you two be happy with us modifying it here and submitting when ready?
      We'll send round again then whilst the journal reviews it.
         I know it's a bit disjointed in places - the worst is the low-freq marine
      section. Peck has too much on to do a complementary piece for lakes.
      I don't reckon much to stalagmites - not stalactites for that matter! Do
      you know of a good recent review on boreholes and/or varves?
      Cheers
      Phil
     At 22:37 21/02/2008, Michael Mann wrote:

     Gavin,
     FYI, attached are comments I forwarded Phil yesterday, in some cases overlapping w/
     comments of yours, but also dealing with some other issues. I chose not to send these to
     the entire list, because if everyone were to do this it would lead to an uncontrollable
     frenzy and perhaps some disputes. I think its best to put this all in Phil's capable
     hands, and let him sort things out.
     mike
     -------- Original Message --------
     Subject: Re: Past Millennia Climate Variability - Review Paper
     Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:57:58 -0500
     From: Michael Mann [1]<mann@meteo.psu.edu>
     Reply-To: [2]mann@psu.edu
     Organization: Penn State University
     To: Phil Jones [3]<p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
     References: [4]<20080220161117.1AFE9308294@mail.meteo.psu.edu>
Hi Phil,

The paper has shaped up very nicely--thanks for all of the work you've
done on this.  The appendix is especially nice--it's great to see
this
business finally put to rest, and will be very nice to finally be able
to cite this when the paper is in press.

I've attached a modified version, for your use. i didn't want to
circulate to the full group, because frankly I wasn't quite sure whose
feet I'm stepping on w/ some of my suggested edits/deletions.  In a
few
places, I've objected (somewhat strenuously!) to some added bits that I
felt were problematic/wrong and/or redundant anyways w/ better treatment
and discussion of related issues elsewhere in the paper. I've also made
a number of other comments regarding issues that are minor but
nonetheless in my view important to get right, since this paper probably
will be widely cited.  Let me know if any of my suggestions/changes
require further discussion.

All of my changes are highlighted in cyan w/ comments in brackets and
bold font. I fixed the ambiguity in Mann et al '05/'05b. There is just
one Mann et al (05) that is relevant in this paper, so I've eliminated
the 'b's, and I've also updated any outdated references.  I also
added a
short statement to the acknowledgements (also highlighted in cyan).

talk to you later,

mike

Phil Jones wrote:
>
>  Dear All,
>       Attached is the latest draft.
This has undergone much change in
> the past couple of
>  months. Keith has arranged for this to reviewed quickly by The
> Holocene. Subject
>  to that being OK it will also be fastracked and could by out
by the
> boreal autumn.
>  So we need you to look through your section, and overall. We'd
like
> to submit this in
>  early March.
>      We know some small bits are missing
(SH trees for example -
> Ricardo is likely in
>  the field). We also need to clean up the references. If you
have some
> of those highlighted
>  in yellow - send them.
>     Can you all check the conclusions and
add/modify but keep them fairly
>  concise and in the bullet form?  Also add in
acknowledgements you'd like
>  to have at the end. I presume you all want to remain involved
in
> this. Also
>  check affiliations.
>
>    When you get this can you all acknowledge the
email, so I can be sure
>  my list is OK and that all have received it.
>
>  Cheers
>  Phil
>
>  PS can someone send this on to Huges Goose. He doesn't seem to
be on
> this
>  list.
>
>
> Prof. Phil Jones
> Climatic Research Unit
Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603
507784
> University of East Anglia
>
Norwich
Email
[5]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
> NR4 7TJ
> UK
>
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Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of
Meteorology
Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker
Building
FAX:   (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University
email:  [8]mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

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     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    [10]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     NR4 7TJ
     UK
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Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University      email:  [11]mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

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