cc: "Osborn Timothy Dr \(ENV\)" <T.Osborn@uea.ac.uk>
date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:53:04 +0100
from: "Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\)" <David.Palmer@uea.ac.uk>
subject: RE: FW: Environmental Information Regulations [FOI_09-44; 
to: "Jones Philip Prof \(ENV\)" <P.Jones@uea.ac.uk>, "Mcgarvie Michael Mr \(ACAD\)" <k364@uea.ac.uk>

   Phil [et al],

   The fact that information is within an email that you consider 'personal' does not render
   the information itself personal.  In order to not disclose information under EIR, we need
   to have a valid exception, and then also pass a public interest test that shows that the
   public interest is better served by non-disclosure than disclosure.

   I will have a think about what exceptions are available to us, but, at this moment I am
   having difficulty making a case for any that would apply here.  The other issue is passing
   the public interest test - we would, I presume be relying on some sort of public interest
   in preserving the confidentiality of communications between academic colleagues but there
   is no guarantee that the ICO would uphold this.

   I will get back to you next week on this one....



   Cheers, Dave
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   From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
   Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:16 PM
   To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB); Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
   Cc: Osborn Timothy Dr (ENV)
   Subject: Re: FW: Environmental Information Regulations [FOI_09-44; EIR_09-03]

      Dave,
         I sent some of the station data to a Jun Jian at Georgia Tech on 15 Jan 2009.
      I see now that Peter Webster was a recipient on the email. I also see from looking
      at Climate Audit that this request results from Peter saying on CA that he's
      not had any difficulty getting data from CRU (see what he said below on June 24).
        I regard this as a personal email between me and this group at Georgia Tech.
      So, McIntyre has no right to request the data in a personal email.
       I only sent a small part of the dataset anyway. They asked for a specific
      set and said what they were going to do with the data.
      Cheers
      Phil
        Steve,
   We have asked Phil Jones for data so that we could compare the synthesized surface
       temperature with actual station data. Jones has provided everything that we have asked
       for. This is for our study of the 1930/40 climate bump that is ongoing. Alas, these
       things take time. But my experience has been quite different to yours.
       As you know, I have often complained that the right wing and the left wing (the
       absolutists of AGHW and those who do not have a bar of it) have forced us into corners
       in which we are not comfortable. If there is to be reasonable resolution of the climate
       GWH issues and the fidelity of data (both critical and reasonable questions?) I think
       that the questions and opinions can't be shouted from one corner or the other.
       BTW, we have a Science article coming out next week about the changes in form of El
       Nino (GHW or natural variability: no idea! But changes there are) and its impact on
       NATL hurricanes. Not sure if it will be of interest to C-A as it does not raise the
       question of GW. But the data set is short........
       best regards
       Peter W

     At 13:57 26/06/2009, Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\) wrote:

     Gents,
     A request from Mr. McIntyre under EIR that arrived today.  Response due by 24 July.
     I have acknowledged the request and confirmed that we will be handling this under EIR.
     Any concerns with this request?  Any need for clarification?


     Cheers, Dave
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     From: Steve McIntyre [[1] mailto:stephen.mcintyre@utoronto.ca]
     Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:45 AM
     To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
     Subject: Environmental Information Regulations
     Dear Mr Palmer,

     Pursuant to the Environmental Information Regulations, I hereby request a copy of any
     digital version of the CRUTEM station data set that has been sent from CRU to Peter
     Webster and/or any other person at Georgia Tech between January 1, 2007 and Jun 25,
     2009.

     Thank you for your attention,

     Stephen McIntyre

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