date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:30:43 -0000
from: "John Davies" <john.davies@foe.co.uk>
subject: FW: UN Secretary General's Reference to Slide Out Risks of Ice
to: <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>

   Dear Dr Phil Jones,

                    I think you may wish to see this. I doubt whether the Arctic will be ice
   free in late summer by 2009 but the immediacy suggested in this paper is something which
   should be examined. .  Scroll down to comment No.797257 dated 22/11/ 2007 .



   All the Best,


   John B Davies   personal.

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   From: owner-climate_change@foe.co.uk [mailto:owner-climate_change@foe.co.uk] On Behalf Of
   John Davies
   Sent: 29 November 2007 14:40
   To: climate_change@foe.co.uk
   Cc: Fiona Davis
   Subject: FW: UN Secretary General's Reference to Slide Out Risks of Ice Sheets


   Hello Campaigners,

                        I think there is a lot of new information on Global warming in the
   north polar regions in this document. Very Urgent.  Scroll down to comment No.797257 dated
   22/11/ 2007


   All the Best,


   John B Davies  personal.

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   From: Albert Kallio [mailto:albert_kallio@hotmail.com]
   Sent: 28 November 2007 21:24
   To: John Davies
   Subject: FW: UN Secretary General's Reference to Slide Out Risks of Ice Sheets


   Dear John,

   If you did not receive FIPC view on importance on the Arctic, please find here our
   statement.  Many thanks for you letter and MS Word Article.  I found a few spelling and lay
   out problems, so have enclosed revised layout of your letter and article.

   You mentioned in MS Word doc Smith_decadal_science2007.pdf and Smith_decadal_SOM.pdf files,
   and possibility of forwarding copies of these two files as attachment.

   Kind regards,

   Albert
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   From: albert_kallio@hotmail.com
   To: jar@email.unc.edu
   Subject: UN Secretary General's Reference to Slide Out Risks of Ice Sheets
   Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:00:16 +0000

   Dear Jose,

   Please find enclosed:

   1. The UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon's statement.  He was persuaded to issue this strong
   statement by the Chilean glaciologists who expressed their gut feeling that the Larsen B
   disease was to spread to Ronne and Ross and ice on land as wel.  This backs Al
   Gore's hypothesis of sudden sea surges in 'An Inconvenient Truth' posing a massive risks to
   modern society.


   2. The Guardian conducted a poll with Royal Geographical Society and The EarthWatch of
   which global ecosystem is least disposable. I enclose FIPC point why (due to a higher
   degree of teleconnectivity) the preservation of the polar regions is far more important
   than any of the other ecosystems, even more important than the tropical rainforests.
   Unfortunately, the lack of understanding of geophysics shows here distinctly as only 14%
   thinks the polar regions are worth saving. FIPC responded to this devastaing poll pointing
   a high degree of teleconnectivity in the Arctic. FIPC think the ball of positive feedbacks
   will start rolling just from the polar regions: not the vice versa!
   As we were such an underdog in the debate as 86% thinking other ecosystems are more
   important, we put out our nearly full arsenal of argument both published and unpublished,
   which all can however be further checked out. See also the link to The Wall Street Journal
   in the text.


   3. I also enclose a report on UN in The Guardian as the athmospheric carrying capacity of
   CO2 will be used up in the next 7-8 years time after which the positive feedbacks, releases
   of gas from melting permafrost and gas fields ect oceans could overtake human emissions
   (after which a sustainded runaway global warming is a possibility).

   If someone accuses for alarmism, it is useful now to ask them to go to the UN Secretary
   General who accepted the tentative evidence by the Chilean glaciologists as sufficient to
   suspect that a major danger lies within wet ice!
   I trust the above articles will be very interesting as they contain such strong statements
   and new material as well.

   I hope your works are in good progress. Did you have time to contact Antoon Koojpers at the
   Danish Polar Centre who also has observed some events that are also suggestive of sudden
   major ice discharges to oceans.

   Kind regards,

   Veli Albert Kallio
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   1.


   Please find enclosed the statement by the UN Secretary General:


   18 November 2007


   "If the West Antarctic Ice Sheet broke up, sea levels could rise by six meters.  It may not
   happen for 100 years - or it could happen in 10.  We simply do not know.  But when it
   happens, it could occur quickly, almost overnight.  It sounds like the script of a disaster
   movie.  But this is science, not science fiction."


   Ban Ki Moon

   Secretary General of the United Nations,

   King George Island, Antarctica.


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    2.




   VeliAlbertKallio


   Comment No. [1]797257

   [2]November 22 11:28


   Dear Sirs,

   I do agree that all ecosystems require protection; however, there are ecosystems with a
   higher degree of teleconnectivity than some of the others. I would see the mountain eco and
   geological systems least connected.

   The Round North Pole Sea Ice Cap was reduced in summer 2007 to an Arctic Sea Ice Crescent
   that resided behind north of Canada, Greenland and Svalbard Islands. The loss of the round
   polar ice cap that always used to be centred on the north pole was lost due to increased
   intensity of ocean waves causing the erosion of the sea ice, mixing of cold surface water
   with the warm water from the deep, and hugely increased sea ice migration on the newly
   opened ocean. The cold, dense and dry air pillow that hovered above the snow and ice
   covered ocean expanded due to the immense Arctic Ocean snow cover turning into warm sea
   water that made the ultra dry polar air to warm up, and push the margins of the Artic air
   mass and streams above Greenland and England.

   FIPC predicted occurrence of the 2007 sea ice loss (about 4 million square km) back in 2005
   against the projections of the Arctic Council who projected such a degree of sea ice loss
   only sometime after year 2040. But their concept was based on faulty idea that all sea ice
   loss would be due to increasing air temperature and the albedo change as snow covered sea
   turns into dark water absorbing much more of sun's heat. FIPC projections of correct degree
   of sea ice loss was why we were presenting at a summit convened by HE Kofi Annan, HE Jose
   Barroso and HAH Bartholomev I in September on the stability and the Arctic teleconnections.

   FIPC expect the sea ice cover to break up in 2008 as the morphology of lunar crescent
   shaped multiyear sea ice is far more volatile to the forces of sea than the rounded polar
   ice cap on the North Pole which always was until now. The forces of ocean will start
   tearing up next year the remains of the crescent shaped multiyear (thick) sea ice as soon
   as the seasonal sea ice has melted away. There could be delaying negative feedbacks such as
   much larger precipitation on and around the Arctic Ocean which could keep climate colder
   and delay the onset of summer season, making the melt season shorter and therefore less
   intense. But such a hope of negative feedback may be too wishful.

   The Arctic Ocean's sea ice scattering would be complete by 2009 if events of 2007 are
   repeated. The sea ice travelling to-and-fro between warm and cold parts of ocean are very
   destructive as the thermal inertia transfer into migratory sea ice is huge in comparison to
   relatively stationary sea ice. The siege of Greenland by an open dark oceans on all its
   sides in combination with the 24 hour arctic sunshine season will mean massive flash floods
   and thunderstorms in Greenland (similar to July's in England) that were already experienced
   in this year and what was reported to the multimillion pound RSE expedition in the public
   hearings held in Narsarssuaq, South Greenland in 12.09.2007.

   The ice-free Arctic Ocean will mean loss of permafrost and these hold huge amounts of
   methane and carbon dioxide, sometime held back from entering the atmosphere only by thin
   lid of frozen ice or permafrost mud. This is a situation in parts of northern Russia and
   some gas fields will begin to leak out methane in sudden burst, in addition to the
   widespread emissions from newly decomposing melted permafrost grounds. These emissions
   (i.e. methane is 100 times more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide) invariably
   raise the Arctic as among one of the most teleconnected and volatile parts of the earth
   system.
   The loss of the North Pole Sea Ice Cap will also mean more flash floods washing Greenland's
   fairly sizable ice sheet. In the past most of the Greenland ice sheet melting was Type 1
   ice melting where the crevasses and moulins ultimately drain to the ocean removing the
   water as heat agent from amongst the body of ice. However, recently the melting has
   advanced further to inland where the sub glacial terrain has slopes with inward ground
   inclination and the water and heat with it will never escape to the surface once water is
   fallen into ice. This kind of Type 2 melting in Greenland is accumulative and builds a
   pillow of water under the ice and loosens the partially permafrost cementing of ice with
   rocks and levels the rough ups and downs under the ice. As result the weight loading is
   removed from rocks below ice increasingly against the ice and topographic obstacles in
   downstream. As a result, large boulders of ice are moving causing ice quakes when the
   loosened ice moves downhill. The increased discharges of ice via fjord systems increase
   these.

   The changes of the Arctic ice mass balance has many more teleconnections by causing
   promoted earthquakes as the reduced weight of Alaska allows the Pacific tectonic plate to
   turn easier beneath the west Alaska and the connections to the liquid rocks produce
   increased volcanism. See the Wall Street Journal article on these:
   [3]http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114981650181275742-sOx58NXvfKz2szefZXutgTSbaDI_20
   070608.html?mod=rss_free
   In addition, the changes in Greenland ice mass balance are destructive to the earth systems
   even at its very basins. Parts of Greenland have lost about 5 metres of ice, this amount to
   a pressure change of 4,250 kg/m2. It is well known that the Earth's axis responds to the
   air pressure variations across the Arctic Ocean between north Russia and Canada: when the
   low and high air pressure systems swap the other way round across the Arctic Ocean, the
   earth's axis turns 3-6 metres to that direction. Because the land masses are also
   asymmetrically distributed around the Geographic North Pole (= rotation axis), the snow and
   rain load on land during various seasons produce varying ground pressure load to which the
   weight distribution (point of balance change) the axis adjusts known as the Seasonal Wobble
   (12 month period). In addition there is the Chandler Wobble (14 month period) which results
   from same due to morphological resonance that is amplified by variable interaction with the
   faster spinning earth's core and overlying rock layers.
   In year 2000 the Magnetic North Pole started a sudden movement of 1,0-1,5 kilometres per
   week. This movement started back in 1850's when it was very tiny migration indeed. The old
   maps showing the magnetic field lines show no need for any corrections in period 1400-1850.
   With current rates this would be very noticeable. The 1850's coincide with the onset of
   glacial retreat worldwide. Even back in 1600's the magnetic field was about 9 times its
   current strength. So, what is the teleconnection here?

   As Greenland has changed weight distribution in much larger amounts than the air pressure
   variations above the island can do, the equilibrium state has changed. The earth's core
   generates static electricity which starts running along the metallic mineral currents that
   lie just beneath the lighter non-conductive mineral layers above it. Due to electrons
   having the same negative charge they move always outwards to the maximum electricity
   conductive surface known as the Faraday's Cage. This layer is very thin and it carries all
   the electricity the core is generating. (If it were not for the reduced conductivity drop
   of the overlying rock layers, the electricity generated by the earth's faster spinning core
   would raise right up to the surface below our feet.)

   The non-conductive minerals rubbed into the Faraday's Cage of the Earth's Core is both
   stopping the electricity passing beneath Greenland and also re-directing it to go elsewhere
   where electricity conducting layers are still existing at the right altitude to form the
   cage. The punch hole in the Faraday's Cage beneath Greenland is the cause of the sudden
   migration of the Magnetic North Pole from the west side of Ellesmere Island to the north
   side of Greenland and why the compass needle has recently been turning, especially since
   year 2000 when Greenland's ice sheet increased its ice discharge to ocean nearly 200%.
   FIPC have reminded that earth's magnetic field is an important part of the earth's
   protective system creating the Northern Lights as a result of this. Tampering with this
   system means that millions of tonnes of harmful particulate matter and radiation (solar
   winds) are currently deflected from hitting the earth surface.

   The Melville Bugt (the Melville Bay) coastal mountains that already subsided towards the
   sea during the Last Glacial Maxium (LGM) are currently holding back the growing pressure
   from the increasingly loose and leaning Greenland Ice Dome (ice height of 3,150 metres). If
   this were to collapse, there would be the sudden 'almost overnight' sea surges as suggested
   18.11.2007 by the United Nations' Secretary General Ban Ki Moon (on advice of the Chilean
   glaciologists who think the west Antarctic land ice and ice shelves are also showing signs
   to collapse - following the course occurred in the Larsen B ice shelve). Ref.:
   International Herald Tribune, p. 6., Sunday 18.11.2007.

   A 7-metre sea surge would cause coastal flooding and this would make both industry and cars
   stop immediately as oil refineries and many power stations build on sea side would be
   flooded. The teleconnection from this is due to global dimming: increase in air
   temperatures above land as the cooling aerosols from traffic and industry will flush
   quickly out leaving in the heat capturing CO2 pollution. In the meanwhile, the ocean
   temperatures would be reduced due to large amount of fragmentary floating ice bergs from
   the ice sheet that had collapsed to sea. The Greenland ice cooled ocean and hot continental
   air would produce cloudless skies on across America and Europe, this failing our
   agriculture and causing massive forest fires and droughts that can destroy our forests here
   completely.

   Thus, FIPC iterate that although we would not subscribe that the collapse of Greenland and
   West Antarctic were the end of the world, the damage underway is very substantial due to
   the list of above teleconnections in earth system.

   If you have any queries FIPC are more than happy to forward more details on our research
   and lobbying activities.

   Veli Albert Kallio
   FIPC Co-Ordinator,
   Fellow of Royal Geographical Society

   Frozen Isthmuses' Protection Campaign
   of the Arctic and North Atlantic Oceans

   119 Mount Pleasant
   Bracknell, Berkshire
   RG12 9EA, ENGLAND.

   [4]albert_kallio@hotmail.com


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   3.

1.30pm GMT

10 years to change our ways, warns UN report

   [5]Mark Tran


   [6]Guardian Unlimited


   Tuesday November 27 2007


   The world has less than a decade to change course to avoid irreversible ecological
   catastrophe, the UN warned today.


   The stark warning from the [7]UN's Human Development report came just ahead of next month's
   climate summit in Bali, Indonesia, to negotiate a successor to the Kyoto protocol.

   In a repeat of previous warnings from scientific panels, the 400-page report said that
   simply ignoring climate change would lead to unprecedented reversal in human development in
   our lifetime, and acute risks for our children and their grandchildren.


   The report, commissioned by the UN Development Programme, said climate change would hit the
   least-developed countries the hardest.


   'The poorest countries and most vulnerable citizens will suffer the earliest and most
   damaging setbacks, even though they have contributed least to the problem,' the report
   says.

   'Looking to the future, no country - however wealthy or powerful - will be immune to the
   impact of global warming.'


   The panel says the greatest financial responsibility lies with the US and the other
   well-developed countries most responsible for the rising levels of carbon dioxide and other
   heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, mainly from the use of coal, oil and other fossil
   fuels.


   As the world's richest countries bear the greatest responsibility, the UN Development
   Programme called on them to bear the largest burden in cutting emissions and in providing
   financial aid to the poor.

   Developed countries, the UN said, should cut emissions by at least 30% by 2020 and by 80%
   by 2050. Developing nations should cut emissions by 20% by the year 2050.


   The UN said the world must spend 1.6% of global economic output each year until 2030 to
   stabilise carbon levels and to limit a rise in global temperature to 2C to avoid the
   catastrophic impact of climate change.


   Without the money, the panel said, a warmer world 'could stall and then reverse human
   development' in the countries where 2.6 billion people live on $2 (96p) a day or less.


   The consequences include women and young girls having to walk further to collect water in
   the Horn of Africa, people erecting bamboo flood shelters on stilts in the Ganges delta,
   and others planting mangroves to protect themselves against storm surges in the Mekong
   delta.


   'The world lacks neither the financial resources nor the technological capabilities to
   act,' the UN report said. 'What is missing is a sense of urgency, human solidarity and
   collective interest.'


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   The above highlighting the urgency of the situation.



   Kind regards,
   Veli Albert Kallio,

   FIPC Co-ordinator
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