date: Wed Sep 30 09:40:40 2009
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Instrumental/Proxy
to: Rob Wilson <rjsw@st-andrews.ac.uk>

    Rob,
       Don't worry too much about access to the South American tree ring data. I think I can
   get it all quite easily from someone at Bern.  I should be able to get - cores as well, for
   all but the pers comm/unpublished sites.  Seems as though there are less than 5 of these.
   We can write to those if the bid is successful. Quick count shows about 50 series. Ricardo
   Villalba and Juan Carlos Aravena have sent them loads of sites. There seem more than 50 in
   some of the maps. It might be that the ~50 is only those with a temperature signal. I've
   been sent a paper and they want me to be on it as it is using CRU TS 3 as the predictand.
   Quite handy really - it seems loads of work getting things together has been done!
      The paper needs a lot of work - an awful lot. Ice core work from Thompson and also Ant
   Penin stuff there also.
      Still useful to have Ed and Rosanne on board as all this is basically just South
   American data. Not sure why stuff from further afield is in - this is why the paper needs
   work. We'll need the NZ and any Australian trees in addition to Tas.
      If the paper is in better shape by end of November we could refer to it. We could also
   get someone from the Bern group to send a letter of support as well. I'll bring what I have
   or a later version to our next meeting.
    Cheers
    Phil
   At 07:45 30/09/2009, Rob Wilson wrote:

     Hi Phil,
     finally had a chance to read your initial text through.
     I have not yet heard from any of the dendros, except Rosanne/Ed. This might be a problem
     if we want to get letters of support out of them.
     I will chase them up again next week. As we are not specifically looking to sample new
     tree-ring sites, then we are essentially looking for data access only so hopefully there
     will not be a problem.
     There certainly seems to be a wealth of dendro data from South America that has been
     generated through the IAI and related projects. I wonder if any comparison with the
     Thompson ice core data has been undertaken?
     A lot of work has also recently been done in New Zealand so again plenty of data there.
     Tasmania might be the only place where the tree-ring data stop in the early-mid 1990s,
     but I will check with Ed about that.
     One area I am interested in is the moisture (and ENSO) sensitive TR chronologies that
     Lamont are developing in Australia and there might be a really nice project to compare
     the terrestrial and marine (GBR corals) records in this region. Possible PhD project??
     Rob
     Phil Jones wrote:

      Dear All,

             Spent an hour or so putting together some outlining text for our 2pp for TASOC.
     Also added in a few references that may or may not be relevant. Apart from the intro,
     it's just a few thoughts on trees/corals and ice cores plus a little more on early
     instrumental/documentary.
         I worked on this text being the science. This could include the links to other work
     we know is going on, but that might come in another section with the WP detail/links.
         Rob W has sent some emails getting more tree-ring worker contacts. Also there will
     be a section on tree-growth models elsewhere in the bid. Also there wll be something
     about the SAM - to go along with ENSO, ITCZ and monsoons.
      Cheers
      Phil
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They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure.
Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree
for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty
might prove useful. "

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   Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
   School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
   University of East Anglia
   Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
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