cc: "Keith Briffa" <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>, "Phil Jones" <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>, "Raymond s.bradley" <rbradley@geo.umass.edu>, "Malcolm Hughes" <mhughes@ltrr.arizona.edu>, mann@virginia.edu
date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:00:30 -0500
from: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@virginia.edu>
subject: Re: Fwd: RE: posting of message
to: Tim Osborn <t.osborn@uea.ac.uk>

   Hi Tim,
   Disregard my previous email, for updates you can refer people to our webpage here:
   [1]http://holocene.evsc.virginia.edu/Mann/EEReply.html
   Right now, its just a mirror of your page,  but w/ the response updated. I can always
   update it at a later time, but why don't you just link here for updates..
   Thanks a bunch. Can you get this in before quitting time tonight? I think it's important
   people see
   the clarified version, lest they be confused about how the PCs were calculated for the sub
   networks. Thanks a bunch,
   mike
   At 03:19 PM 11/3/2003 +0000, Tim Osborn wrote:

     Mike,
     I will place the revised version on the website, but I would also like to give you the
     flexibility to add further information or discussion over the coming weeks.  What I
     would like to do is to put the revised version on the site, keep the one posted there on
     Saturday as well (with appropriate explanation), and also add in a link to your website
     and say that people can go there for later updates and/or further information that you
     may add whenever it seems appropriate.
     To do this, I just need a web address of where you will put such things.  Even if you
     have nothing further to add yet, the web address needs to point to a page that exists,
     even if almost empty.
     Does that sound good to you?
     Cheers
     Tim
     At 14:51 03/11/2003, you wrote:

     Hi Tim,
     Can you let me know as soon as the revised version has been substituted?
     Thanks a bunch,
     mike

     Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:00:57 -0500
     To: Tim Osborn <t.osborn@uea.ac.uk>
     From: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@virginia.edu>
     Subject: RE: posting of message
     Cc: rbradley <rbradley@geo.umass.edu>, Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>, Malcolm
     Hughes, phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
     Tim,
     OK--try this one. I've given it the same name as the original, and so you can just
     overprint the pdf file in the link...
     thanks again,
     mike
     At 01:51 PM 11/3/2003 +0000, you wrote:

     Mike - first sentence (in parentheses) of third paragraph of new version seems to have a
     word or two missing - Tim
     At 13:29 03/11/2003, you wrote:

     Hey,
     Can you guys replace the current pdf w/ the new one using the same name as the old one?
     This is because some websites, blogs, etc. are already pointing to the URL for the pdf
     file, and I want to make sure they point to the updated pdf file.
     I promise we won't continue to revise and ask you to repost, etc.  I spent the weekend
     looking over this to see if there were any things that needed to be clarified, and
     that's how I came up w/ the small number of revisions.
     Thanks again for your help,
     mike
     At 11:08 AM 11/3/2003 +0000, Tim Osborn wrote:

     Hi Mike et al,
     I added this to the statement on our website, trying to phrase it so that the
     disagreement between MM and many other (really "*every*"?) reconstructions was seen as
     reason to more carefully check MM than as reason to reject MM.
     [2]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/paleo/
     Cheers
     Tim
     At 16:59 01/11/2003, Michael E. Mann wrote:

     The fact that the MM is so at odds with *every* other published estimate, not just MBH98

     Dr Timothy J Osborn
     Climatic Research Unit
     School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia
     Norwich  NR4 7TJ, UK
     e-mail:   t.osborn@uea.ac.uk
     phone:    +44 1603 592089
     fax:      +44 1603 507784
     web:      [3]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/
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     ______________________________________________________________
                         Professor Michael E. Mann
                Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
                           University of Virginia
                          Charlottesville, VA 22903
     _______________________________________________________________________
     e-mail: mann@virginia.edu   Phone: (434) 924-7770   FAX: (434) 982-2137
              [5]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml

     Dr Timothy J Osborn
     Climatic Research Unit
     School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia
     Norwich  NR4 7TJ, UK
     e-mail:   t.osborn@uea.ac.uk
     phone:    +44 1603 592089
     fax:      +44 1603 507784
     web:      [6]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/
     sunclock: [7]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm

     ______________________________________________________________
                         Professor Michael E. Mann
                Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
                           University of Virginia
                          Charlottesville, VA 22903
     _______________________________________________________________________
     e-mail: mann@virginia.edu   Phone: (434) 924-7770   FAX: (434) 982-2137
              [8]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml

     ______________________________________________________________
                         Professor Michael E. Mann
                Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
                           University of Virginia
                          Charlottesville, VA 22903
     _______________________________________________________________________
     e-mail: mann@virginia.edu   Phone: (434) 924-7770   FAX: (434) 982-2137
              [9]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml

     Dr Timothy J Osborn
     Climatic Research Unit
     School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia
     Norwich  NR4 7TJ, UK
     e-mail:   t.osborn@uea.ac.uk
     phone:    +44 1603 592089
     fax:      +44 1603 507784
     web:      [10]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/
     sunclock: [11]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm

   ______________________________________________________________
                       Professor Michael E. Mann
              Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
                         University of Virginia
                        Charlottesville, VA 22903
   _______________________________________________________________________
   e-mail: mann@virginia.edu   Phone: (434) 924-7770   FAX: (434) 982-2137
            [12]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml

