date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:59:59 -0500
from: "Thomas.R.Karl" <Thomas.R.Karl@noaa.gov>
subject: Re: Climate Audit and our paper from 1990
to: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>

   Hi Phil,
   Current plans are to be there Monday and Tuesday,  but the way things have been going --- I
   could be called out to DC, but as of now that would be a good time to talk, e.g., Monday
   night.
   Regards, Tom
   Phil Jones said the following on 2/27/2007 11:58 AM:

      Tom,
        It seems you might be in Duke in the week of March 12 at IDAG.
      Am I correct?  If so we could discuss this a little.
      Cheers
      Phil
     At 16:31 27/02/2007, you wrote:

     Thanks Phil,
     We are going to develop a white paper over the next few weeks describing what we do and
     why for urban corrections.  I can see a Congressional inquiry on this!
     Tom
     Phil Jones said the following on 2/27/2007 11:22 AM:

      Dear All,
         An update. If you look again you will see even more - first on the
      Russian network, now the Chinese - they have yet to get to the
      Australian networks!  They probably won't get to Australia, as
      they won't be able to bring out all their prejudices about life in
      Russia and China. Pasha will have heard of all the stupid things
      said about Russia in the Soviet days.
         I have had a request for the data from McIntyre, but I am not sending
      the data. I am already tried and convicted, so there is no point
      in sending them anything. I will not bother replying as well. I might
      as well act as expected. They will run out of steam in a week or two
      and move onto something else.
          There is a clear thread running through the comments. By the way,
      CRU isn't changing any of the current data that is coming in on the
      CLIMAT system, except where it is wrong. We are getting Australia
      directly as their CLIMAT messages don't calculate monthly means
      as they used to pre-1994, and for a few sites in eastern Canada,
      where Lucie Vincent developed homogeneous series - but adjusted
      them to the pre-1960 period.
      Cheers
      Phil
      Cheers
      Phil
      Dear All,
         Remember this paper !
     Jones, P.D., Groisman, P.Ya., Coughlan, M., Plummer, N., Wang, W-C. and Karl, T.R.,
     1990:  Assessment of urbanization effects in time series of surface air temperature over
     land.  Nature 347, 169-172.
       Well on this web site, the work is being hotly debated!
     [1]http://www.climateaudit.org/
        Their renewed interest seems to stem from modifications NCDC are
      making to USHCN and as I hear from Tom Peterson to their global and
      hemispheric averages.  Ridiculous statements are being made about the
      NCDC work modifying data to make recent warming greater - and more
      like the CRU data!  On the Russian part of our study, the old chestnut of
      temperature data being modified in Soviet days to make the data cooler
      during the 1930s and 1940s!  Also the Russian network failing apart when
      the Soviet Union came to an end.
         No doubt this will surface somewhere when the Chapter from AR4 comes
      out. We still refer to this paper, but there are more recent studies by
      Tom Peterson and David Parker.  These studies and some earlier ones by
      Tom Karl are still the only ones to look at the issue over large scales.
         Anyway, I'd just thought I'd warn you all in case they ever get their act
      together (and stop their diatribes).
         I'd thought I'd also welcome you to the Hockey Team (but you're all
      reserves) - to get onto the ice, you have to do some paleo work!
      Wei-Chung therefore has a good chance of playing some day.
         It's also good that we're all still working hard in the field, most of us
      writing less unfortunately as we're higher up the ladder!
         1990 seems a long time ago !  By the way, I do have the data
      from the study on disk!  I was wise even when Steve McIntyre first
      requested the data many years ago. I think I could replicate the
      study if I had that rare commodity - time.
         The penultimate paragraph of the 1990 paper was mainly written by
      Tom - thanks. It even has pre-IPCC definitions of likelihood!
       Neil - can you pass this on with my best wishes to Mike.
      Cheers
      Phil
     Prof. Phil Jones
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     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
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     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    [3]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     NR4 7TJ
     UK
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