cc: Martin Juckes <M.N.Juckes@rl.ac.uk>, mitrie -- Anders Moberg <anders@misu.su.se>, Eduardo Zorita <Eduardo.Zorita@gkss.de>, <hegerl@duke.edu>, Jan Esper <esper@wsl.ch>, Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>, <t.osborn@uea.ac.uk>
date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:51:01 +0000 (GMT)
from: Martin Juckes <M.N.Juckes@rl.ac.uk>
subject: RE: TOR temperature reconstruction (fwd) -- past the first hirdle
to: Myles Allen <m.allen1@physics.ox.ac.uk>


Michael Mann is convening a session at Beijing on "Explaining the Climates 
of Historic Times: Detection and Attribution of Anthropogenic Influences 
(ICCL and PAGES)", we would have to approach him. 

Martin

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Myles Allen wrote:

> Regarding Beijing, I find it hard to believe that between the recipients of this e-mail and the steering committee there isn't a convenor willing to bend some abstract submission deadlines if they want to.  A more serious question is whether we will have anything to say by then, but we should do: at least bringing the different results together in a common talk and discussing the possible origins of differences would be worthwhile, even if we have not reconciled them by then (assuming, of course, that we ever will: we shouldn't assume a priori that reconciliation is possible).
> 
> It might send a positive message to the committee that we are prepared to talk at Beijing.
> 
> Myles
> 
> Climate Dynamics Group
> Atmospheric, Oceanic and Planetary Physics
> Department of Physics, University of Oxford
> Tel: 44-1865-272085/925
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> E-mail: myles.allen@physics.oxford.ac.uk
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Juckes [mailto:M.N.Juckes@rl.ac.uk] 
> Sent: 15 March 2005 15:30
> To: mitrie -- Anders Moberg; Eduardo Zorita; hegerl@duke.edu; Jan Esper; Keith Briffa; Martin Juckes; Myles Allen; t.osborn@uea.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: TOR temperature reconstruction (fwd) -- past the first hirdle
> 
> 
> Well, we got a positive response from the steering group 
> (I haven't seen their detailed comments yet, I'll pass them
> on when I get them).Can we present results in Beijing in August
> is one question. Abstract submission closed 2 days ago, so
> I think we can say no on that. 
> 
> cheers,
> Martin
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:23:38 +0100
> From: Bertjan Heij <Bertjan.Heij@rivm.nl>
> To: Martin Juckes <M.N.Juckes@rl.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: TOR temperature reconstruction
> 
> Dear Martin,
> 
> The Steering Group response was positive! There are somef (minor) comments.
> I'll be back to you coming Monday; next couple of days I am on holiday...
> Important question: there is a meeting of PAGES (and CLIVAR as well, if I
> am right) in Beijing, in August. The Steering Comm. asks if it possible to
> present the results of the project there (and finish the final report after
> that meeting). What do you think?
> 
> Regards,
> BertJan.
> 
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>   |       To:      Martin Juckes <M.N.Juckes@rl.ac.uk>                                                                           |
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> 
> Dear Martin,
> 
> Coming Tuesday your proposal will be discussed in the Steering Group of the
> WAB-programme. Then, the comments (if any) have to be incorporated in a
> final version. So, that's in your hands (assuming that I mail you the
> comments as soon as possible). The final step is: submitting the proposal
> to the Ministry for a final decision. And that is the weakest part in the
> story, because I don't know how long that will take. But I know the people
> there and you can be sure that I'll do my very best to speed up the process
> there. When the decision is there, the funding can start immediately.
> 
> OK?
> Regards,
> BertJan.
> 
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>   |       To:       Bertjan Heij <Bertjan.Heij@rivm.nl>                                                                          |
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>   |       Subject:  TOR temperature reconstruction                                                                               |
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Bertjan,
> 
> I am finalising our proposal, which should be with you tomorrow, if an
> email version and faxed signed copy are acceptable (I'm sorry I forgot to
> check this earlier -- it has been a struggle to coordinate a group
> of people broad enough to address the problem within the time
> frame, but we are getting there). I can put the original signed copy in
> the post to be with you before next Tuesday.
> 
> Please could you clarify two things:
> 
> (1) When will is the decision expected?
> 
> (2) When can funding start? i.e. when is the first possible and latest
> acceptable date?
> 
> sincerely,
> Martin Juckes
> 
> 
> 
> 
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