date: Tue Aug  3 15:51:43 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: stuff
to: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@virginia.edu>

    Mike,
       Will certainly ignore Legates and told Timo to stop emailing me. Heard that M&M were
    going for the others - mainly because they don't put up their data. Lonnie has now, but
    M&M misinterpreted it. McIntyre said the RoG plots were one decade out. They weren't -
    McIntyre had it wrong. Lonnie's wed page was easy to misinterpret. Luckily I got them from
    Ellen, who explained them all. I also compared them with the plots in Lonnie's paper. That
    should have shown M where he was wrong !
       Haven't heard from Tom C for ages. Agree it will help along with Caspar.
       All these lot seem to have their own little email circuit.  The FoE director here in
   the UK
    suggested that Bellamy read the IPCC report. Also made the point that if he feels ill he
   goes
    to a doctor - ergo, if he wants to know about climate he goes to a climatologist !  There
   are
    a lot of people out there who think just because they know one science, they can
   understand
    all other sciences !
    Cheers
    Phil

   At 10:23 03/08/2004 -0400, you wrote:

     Thanks Phil,
     Well, Legates "paper" won't pass the laugh test. I suggest we ignore it and allow it to
     die the death of silence. It won't be worth our time responding. He's already
     discredited himself by publishing this on a right wing web site, so full of mistakes. If
     I were you, I would discontinue any further correspondence you might have had w/
     Legates, the Finn, or any of these other idiots. They're simply going to save up your
     emails and try to take anything you said out of context...
     Apparently, M&M are now going after Crowley, Jacoby, Lonnie, and others.
     Once the various papers (J. Climate paper and Ammann/Wahl) appear (well in time for
     inclusion in IPCC) it will basically establish that they lack no credibility--it should
     allow us to say that they've already been discredited once (re their criticism of
     MBH98), and have destroyed any future credibility they might have in further criticisms
     of Mann and Jones (2003), etc.
     By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year
     reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that reconstruction as
     confirming Mann and Jones, etc...
     This Bellamy guy sounds like he's right up there w/ the rest of these losers (I've never
     heard of him).  I think that they may now finally have gone just far enough to
     permanently descredit themselves w/ the latest round of baseless attacks, since they
     have been exposed as having gotten even the most basic facts wrong...
     Mike

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