date: Mon Jul 31 10:12:49 2006
from: Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Thompson et al, 2006 paper to include
to: "Olga Solomina" <olgasolomina@yandex.ru>

   sorry to but in, but the issue is important. We should not be stating too positively that
   the tropics were cool. The full uncertainty should be reflected in the text, by adding a
   few along the lines that Olga suggests here.
   Keith
   At 17:33 30/07/2006, you wrote:

     ﻿
     Hello everybody,

     I attach here a version of glacier box and suggestions (in red) how to include there the
     reference to the new Thompson et al., 2006 paper.

     In this relation - I am getting more and more concern about our statement that the Early
     Holocene was cool in the tropics - this paper shows that it was, actually, warm - ice
     core evidences+glaciers were smaller than now in the tropical Andes. The glaciers in the
     Southern Hemisphere (Porter, 2000, review paper) were also smaller than at least in the
     Neoglacial. We do not cite Porter's paper for the reason that we actually do not know
     how to explain this - orbital reason does not work for the SH, but if we do cite it
     (which is fair) we have to say that during the Early to Mid Holocene glaciers were
     smaller than later in both  Northen, and Southern Hemisphere, including the tropics,
     which would contradict to our statement in the Holocene chapter and the bullet. It is
     probably too late to rise these questions, but still just to draw your attention.

     I am going to Kamchatka tomorrow, but will be avaliable by e-mail from time to time.

     All the best,
     olga


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: [1]Jonathan Overpeck
          To: [2]Olga Solomina
          Cc: [3]Eystein Jansen ; [4]oyvind.paasche@bjerknes.uib.no
          Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:42 AM
          Subject: Re: [Wg1-ar4-ch06] Fwd: Additional In-Press Papers
          Hi Olga - I agree, and hope that you and Шyvind make sure you include it in the
          next round of edits, which will begin very soon. We have all of the new text and
          Eystein is assembling for authors to check. This same new draft will be the one that
          Eystein and I work on to achieve more consistency and the proper length. Although
          we've cut some text already, some received has grown too. So... think about a way to
          include the reference to Lonnie's work without lengthening if you can.
          OK? Many thanks,  Peck

          Hi Peck,

          Lonnie's paper is a very good one and suitable for the glacier box. If it is still
          possible I would add this reference.

          olga

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: [5]Jonathan Overpeck
                To: [6]wg1-ar4-ch06@joss.ucar.edu
                Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 6:32 PM
                Subject: [Wg1-ar4-ch06] Fwd: Additional In-Press Papers
                Hi Chap 6 LA's - here is another batch of papers from the TSU to be considered
                using the guidelines provided below - we don't want to add citations just to
                make our ref list more complete.
                Thanks, Peck and Eystein

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                Subject: Additional In-Press Papers

                      Dear CLAs
                      Please find attached additional paper(s) that are relevant to your
                      chapter and have been submitted in response to our most recent
                      guidelines for consideration of papers published in 2006 following the
                      expert and government review. A separate spreadsheet file is attached
                      listing: the submitter, file name of the paper, its acceptance date, and
                      the chapter and section which the submitter feels is relevant.
                      As discussed in Bergen, please note the following:
                      * inclusion of additional papers in the final draft should not open up
                      any substantive issues that were not in the second draft and so not
                      previously reviewed;
                      * additional papers should only be used where in the view of the LAs
                      doing so provides a more balanced coverage of scientific views;
                      * we anticipate that a quick reading of the abstract of each paper will
                      enable a decision consistent with this and we would not encourage any
                      lengthy consideration by the LA team.
                      One additional point to keep in mind is that this most recent adjustment
                      of our publication deadlines should not be perceived by others as a
                      device for allowing the LAs to reference more of their own papers. We
                      trust that you and your team will be both objective and vigilant when
                      deciding to include or reject papers in this respect.
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