date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:30:25 -0500
from: Michael Mann <mann@meteo.psu.edu>
subject: Re: Past Millennia Climate Variability -  Review Paper
to: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>

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thanks Phil,

I did read the paper once over to get a sense of the flow as well as 
comment on specifics, and I think it fits together remarkably well given 
that it is splice of different authors w/ different styles/emphases.

I agree that part 4 could perhaps be fleshed out a bit more, for example 
greenhouse gases are given short thrift and anthropogenic tropospheric 
aerosols, near as I can tell, aren't even discussed.  Gavin/Caspar would 
perhaps we best suited to revise this section.

But perhaps you'll get some constructive feedback/suggestions in each of 
these areas from the current authors. w/ 27 co-authors there is a huge 
sense of division of responsibility, so you may need to prod folks a few 
times before getting them to respond.

let me know if I can be of any help w/ particular individuals!

talk to you later,

mike

Phil Jones wrote:
>
>  Mike,
>     You're the first to respond with comments. Only 12 have acknowledged
>  receipt of the email so far of the 27 authors. A couple seem to be on 
> travel
>  from emails I've had.
>     Section 3 is based on what Gene originally sent, but with inputs from
>  Francis and Caspar - not much from Caspar though. Tim here then put
>  all this together. It's been too busy here lately, that I've not had 
> a chance to
>  fully read this with time to think. The trees part was added 
> yesterday morning!
>     If you get time to look at the overall paper and consider whether any
>  issues are missing, or less important ones overmentioned. Also
>  look at the conclusions (also add to those there) and say which major 
> ones of these should follow
>  through to the abstract.  Section 4 probably needs more work. I got some
>  good text from Gavin, small bits from Caspar and then the Figure text 
> Tim
>  added. It is probably a bit disjointed. The style of the different 
> parts of
>  section 2 on the paleo disciplines is also a little different.
>
>     We had to send this out to keep Thorsten and EPRI off our backs.
>
>     The arranged reviewing Keith has done will help - if all goes to plan
>  with fasttracking we could have this in August.
>
>  Cheers
>  Phil
>
>
> At 03:57 21/02/2008, you wrote:
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> The paper has shaped up very nicely--thanks for all of the work 
>> you've done on this.  The appendix is especially nice--it's great to 
>> see this business finally put to rest, and will be very nice to 
>> finally be able to cite this when the paper is in press.
>>
>> I've attached a modified version, for your use. i didn't want to 
>> circulate to the full group, because frankly I wasn't quite sure 
>> whose feet I'm stepping on w/ some of my suggested edits/deletions.  
>> In a few places, I've objected (somewhat strenuously!) to some added 
>> bits that I felt were problematic/wrong and/or redundant anyways w/ 
>> better treatment and discussion of related issues elsewhere in the 
>> paper. I've also made a number of other comments regarding issues 
>> that are minor but nonetheless in my view important to get right, 
>> since this paper probably will be widely cited.  Let me know if any 
>> of my suggestions/changes require further discussion.
>>
>> All of my changes are highlighted in cyan w/ comments in brackets and 
>> bold font. I fixed the ambiguity in Mann et al '05/'05b. There is 
>> just one Mann et al (05) that is relevant in this paper, so I've 
>> eliminated the 'b's, and I've also updated any outdated references.  
>> I also added a short statement to the acknowledgements (also 
>> highlighted in cyan).
>>
>> talk to you later,
>>
>> mike
>>
>> Phil Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>  Dear All,
>>>       Attached is the latest draft. This has undergone much change 
>>> in the past couple of
>>>  months. Keith has arranged for this to reviewed quickly by The 
>>> Holocene. Subject
>>>  to that being OK it will also be fastracked and could by out by the 
>>> boreal autumn.
>>>  So we need you to look through your section, and overall. We'd like 
>>> to submit this in
>>>  early March.
>>>      We know some small bits are missing (SH trees for example - 
>>> Ricardo is likely in
>>>  the field). We also need to clean up the references. If you have 
>>> some of those highlighted
>>>  in yellow - send them.
>>>     Can you all check the conclusions and add/modify but keep them 
>>> fairly
>>>  concise and in the bullet form?  Also add in acknowledgements you'd 
>>> like
>>>  to have at the end. I presume you all want to remain involved in 
>>> this. Also
>>>  check affiliations.
>>>
>>>    When you get this can you all acknowledge the email, so I can be 
>>> sure
>>>  my list is OK and that all have received it.
>>>
>>>  Cheers
>>>  Phil
>>>
>>>  PS can someone send this on to Huges Goose. He doesn't seem to be 
>>> on this
>>>  list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Prof. Phil Jones
>>> Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
>>> School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
>>> University of East Anglia
>>> Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
>>> NR4 7TJ
>>> UK 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Michael E. Mann
>> Associate Professor
>> Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)
>>
>> Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) 863-4075
>> 503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) 865-3663
>> The Pennsylvania State University      email:  mann@psu.edu
>> University Park, PA 16802-5013
>>
>> http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Prof. Phil Jones
> Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> University of East Anglia
> Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
> NR4 7TJ
> UK 
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>


-- 
Michael E. Mann
Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University      email:  mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

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