date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:03:28 -0600 (MDT)
from: Linda Mearns <lindam@atd.ucar.edu>
subject: Comments on Draft TGCIA Report
to: tgcia@meto.gov.uk

TGCIAers:  

My comments, 

Linda 



COMMENTS ON DRAFT TGCIA REPORT, received June 9, 1998.

Any sections for which I have no specific comments are ones that 
I largely agree with. 



Under 2.1 OUTPUTS -- 

II. 
I  assume that whether the guidance material is to be a reviewed IPCC document will be 
discussed at the scoping meeting? 
I like Filippo's idea of dividing the guidance material into two parts.  
(And with which it appears TIm also agrees). 
However, I think all this must be considered in light of what we do about a 
Scenarios Chapter in WGI and WGII. 

III. 
a. Inventory of Air-Ocean GCMs -  Air should be changed to Atmosphere

III. 
b.  In principle, yes WGI TSU could handle this, but I think good coordination with 
WG II would be essential -- the point of making this inventory is the 
use of the regional models for climate change scenarios development -- 
in this regard it really is the purview of both WG's. 

Also, 
I repeat here a comment I have made several times now, that has not been addressed.    
It's fine not to address it now, but I'd like to know if we will ever address it 
or will the whole idea be dropped?
 
This is a comment I included in response to agenda items:  

Point 3.1c, however, is incomplete.  As I indicated to Richard Moss
a few weeks ago, M. Noguer, L. Mearns, and F. Giorgi were charged with
coming up with a plan for doing some intercomparisons of regional
models.  I have gone ahead and discussed some possible plans with
some of the major regional modelers in the world.  This has included
Renee LaPrise, Machenauer, John McGregor.  I need to contact Richard
Jones as well.  What I disussed was doing an intercomparison of
regional model responses to the same external forcings in the same
region.  A preliminary region and possible nesting GCMs have been
discussed.  We should either go forward to firm up these plans, or
abandon them.  I have found the  regional modelers quite willing to
participate.

 
Under 2.2 RECOMMENDATIONS 

III.  
a)  I LIKE THE OPENING STATEMENT, but I feel we should make a 
STRONGER 
STATEMENT regarding how this recognition is to be expressed.
I think we should explicitly recommend a chapter 
or chapters on climate change scenario development, and EMPHASIZE 
ITS (THEIR)  ROLE IN UNIFYING WG I and II WORK. 
I feel this is still leaving the details to the scoping meeting, 
as seemed to be the general will of TGCIAers, but makes a stronger 
statement in the report. 

Of course you, Martin and Richard, know a great deal more about 
the politics of IPCC than I do.  My reasoning is based on the simple 
principle of asking for 100%.  
I fear if we don't make a strong statement in the report, it will 
be easier to whittle the scenarios down to a sub section of another 
chapter. 
I really don't think it makes much sense to have it as part of a regional 
analysis chapter.                               

b)  Regions  -- I'm not sure the second statement is very meaningful, since 
it seems very unlikely that there would be time now to develop 
regional scenarios for TAR,  depending on what you mean by regional 
scenarios  -- I assume this has to mean some form of higher 
resolution scenario (either downscaling or regional modeling). 
The statement as it stands is pretty bland, but 
I agree that we should say something.  
But we can't we say a little more here? 
Perhaps at least make a statement to recommend regional intercomparisons 
of downscaling techniques?  I believe we did go so far as to 
encourage comparative studies (see my point above in  2.1 III.b). 



3.  REMAINING WORK  

Yes,  I think work on REGIONAL SCENARIOS could become a major task for the 
TGCIA for the next two years.   I assume we don't have to become 
extremely detailed about the task at this point.   This could 
entail recommending further comparisons, or perhaps revisiting 
selection of scenarios, depending on how this discussion goes in 
the scoping meeting. 

An additional area could be in the ANNOTATION OF CLIMATE CHANGE SCENARIOS -- 
i.e., work in trying to determine the effect of errors in climate model control 
runs on the scenarios produced.  I think this would be a good task for 
further unifying WG I and WG II activities. 


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