date: Thu May 20 13:43:33 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: IDAG paper submitted to J. Climate on a web site somewhere
to: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@virginia.edu>, "Stott, Peter" <peter.stott@metoffice.com>

    Mike,
       Thanks for putting the record straight.
    The IDAG paper was submitted to J. Climate in Jan or Feb 04. So, it is a paper in
    review ! It is also a review paper, so there is nothing you don't know about. The skeptics
    have sent out the paper in outline in an email (with a location to get the whole thing).
   It
    is on Francis Zwiers web site. They found in a google search.
      Tom Crowley has said they are being unethical and it may be illegal, but he's got
    slammed for trying to hide the truth (or words to that effect). Another said it wasn't a
    proper review as it didn't refer to SB03 and MM03/04 but just reiterated the hockey stick
   !!
    They said it didn't say don't cite, which is true. All goes to show that they know nothing
    about the standards and ethics of publishing  and reviewing.
       I'm just glad they have not seen our RG paper yet. Their google search hasn't yet
    found that and no-one has told them. I'm very happy to leave it that way.  Dick Kerr
    said he will mention it at some future opportunity.
       Away all next week and uncontactable (probably) at the meeting in Blois. I'll be
   talking
    about the paper.  The French press may be there, but I won't go out of my way to push the
    paper.
    Cheers
    Phil
   At 08:06 20/05/2004 -0400, Michael E. Mann wrote:

     Hi Peter, Phil,
     No, no, we have to set the record straight!
     It was Jerry Mahlman who coined the term, and in a complimentary (not insulting) way,
     several years ago. I think he used this term to simply point how dramatic the 20th
     century warming is relative to the longer-term variability.
     We have to make sure we don't let the climate change denialists co-opt the term. It
     should be "re-claimed", so to speak...
     Mike
     p.s. anything in this "IDAG" paper I should no about at this point, in case something
     erupts here?
     At 07:55 AM 5/20/2004, Phil Jones wrote:

      Peter,
         I've cc'd this reply to Mike as he may know for sure.  I suspect it was someone like
      Pat Michaels or Fred Singer. There was a meeting in DC where the term was first
      said, probably about 1999.
         Sorry this isn't much help. The term doesn't help the science at all, and giving
      someone credit for saying certainly doesn't help.
      Cheers
      Phil
     At 12:07 20/05/2004 +0100, you wrote:

     Hi Phil,
     A quick question - do you happen to know who coined the "hockey stick"
     term for the IPCC paleo reconstruction ? It's in connection with a
     review I'm trying to do of a paper by  Usoskin et al.
     Peter
     On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 11:25, Phil Jones wrote:
     > >  Dear Tom, Gabi et al,
     >
     >     PS first - to those that are lucky - the climate skeptics have found
     > our IDAG paper to
     >   J. Climate on a web site.  Those that know will have seem the emails.
     >
     >       There is no point debating or mentioning logic or ethics with these
     > people. I suggest
     >   who ever has it on a web site removes it or limits access.
     >
     >       I also want a quiet life for the next few weeks as I'm moving house.
     > So, don't
     >   anyone tell them I have a paper out with Mike Mann in Reviews of
     > Geophysics. Let
     >   them find that in the goodness of time. They seem unaware at the moment and I
     >   wish that to stay the same !
     >
     >   Cheers
     >   Phil
     >
     >
     >
     >
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