cc: "Parker, David" <david.parker@metoffice.gov.uk>
date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:02:20 +0100
from: "Folland, Chris" <chris.folland@metoffice.gov.uk>
subject: FW: Awful Ch 4 programme
to: <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>

Phil

Bucket corrections. I replied to John and Geoff last night. The attached
paper is the state of the art on this topic from  our perspective.
Anything more we need to do to face up to potential future sceptics on
this? SST/NMAT has had little serious attack from sceptics so far. We
are working on the modern era now and recognise some problems there with
SST. The modern NMAT problems are probably more or less solved.

Cheers

Chris




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-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell, John FB (Chief Scientist) 
Sent: 03 April 2007 14:15
To: Folland, Chris; Parker, David
Subject: FW: Awful Ch 4 programme

 Hi Chris, Dave 

Any thoughts on this?

John


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-----Original Message-----
From: Jenkins, Geoff 
Sent: 03 April 2007 11:42
To: Mitchell, John FB (Chief Scientist)
Cc: Pope, Vicky
Subject: RE: Awful Ch 4 programme

Phils last point is interesting. Is he saying that if the skeptics
realised how fragile the bucket/intake corrections were they could go to
town on them? As I understand it, they all stem from Chris and David. Do
we need more work to get them on a firmer footing?

Geoff

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
Sent: 26 March 2007 10:43
To: Mitchell, John FB (Chief Scientist)
Cc: Jenkins, Geoff
Subject: Awful Ch 4 programme
>  John,

     A couple of things about the web page on Climate Myths.

  1. The recent eruptions were in 1982 (El Chichon) and 1991 (Pinatubo).
  Effects were mostly in the years you've given (so cooling then),
  but they occurred the year before.

  2. On Myth 5, you could add that models have run the last millennium
  as well as the last hundred years. Related to this, is the solar
activity
  in Myth 4 the new Judith Lean series?

  I could add many more myths, relating to frost fairs, the MWP,
urbanization
  etc , if you should ever choose to add to this page. Philip Stott in
that 
same
  program alluded to Frost Fairs and the MWP.  There is no need for the
UK
  to consider frost fairs, when we have the Manley CET record,
Luterbacher's
  Swiss reconstructions and the Dutch seasonal reconstructions back to
  1250.

  By the way, the skeptics may one day realise that the only bias in
  the surface temperature data that really matters is the bucket/intake
  one.

   The page is linked off the CRU site.

  Cheers
  Phil



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