date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:18:37 +0100
from: "Palutikof, Jean" <jean.palutikof@metoffice.gov.uk>
subject: RE: Interesting thread on Climate Audit
to: "Phil Jones" <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>

   How very unpleasant.



   The problem is they are like rottweilers - they never give up. So the best policy from the
   TSU point of view seems to me to make it EASIER for them to access stuff, rather than try
   to slow them down by stashing it at Harvard/National Met Archives.  Then at least we can
   get it all out in the open without having to wade through accusations of trying to prevent
   them accessing stuff.



   Jean



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   Dr Jean Palutikof
   Head
   IPCC WGII TSU
   Met Office, Fitzroy Road
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   United Kingdom
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   From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
   Sent: 22 May 2007 11:23
   To: Palutikof, Jean
   Subject: RE: Interesting thread on Climate Audit

    Jean,
      I presumed WG1 would have a digital archive as well. I know they
    have been getting fed up with CA requests, but their action seems
    a little obdurate.
      FYI, UEA has just sent a final letter to one of CA denying them access
    to the CRU station temperature database, following their request under
    FOI. I have sent them some data from a 1990 paper - I amazing had this ! -
    but this wasn't enough for them. I sent rural temperature data, but they
    wanted the station data that went into the gridded products in 1990!
    They seem to have forgotten storage problem issues from the late-80s.
    Having sent them this data, there then was a threat from one of them - see below.
    Wei-Chyung Wang was one of the co-authors on the paper from 1990.
    All the Chinese station histories are available from CMA in Beijing. They
    have said they will send these (in Chinese) if Keenan requests them and
    pays them preparation money.
    Cheers
    Phil
    Dear Dr. Wang,
   Regarding the Chinese meteorological data analyzed by Wang et al. [GRL, 1990] and Jones et
   al. [Nature, 1990], it now seems clear that there are severe problems.  In particular,  the
   data was obtained from 84 meteorological stations that can be classified as follows.
      49 have no histories    08 have inconsistent histories    18 have substantial
   relocations    02 have single-year relocations    07 have no relocations Furthermore, some
   of the relocations are very distant--over 20 km.
   Others are to greatly different environments, as illustrated here:
   [1]http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1323#comment-102970
   The above contradicts the published claim to have considered the histories of the stations,
   especially for the 49 stations that have no histories.  Yet the claim is crucial for the
   research conclusions.
   I e-mailed you about this on April 11th.  I also phoned you on April 13th: you said that
   you were in a meeting and would get back to me.  I have received no response.
   I ask you to retract your GRL paper, in full, and to retract the claims made in Nature
   about the Chinese data.  If you do not do so, I intend to publicly submit an allegation of
   research misconduct to your university at Albany.
   Douglas J. Keenan
   [2]http://www.informath.org
   phone + 44 20 7537 4122
   The Limehouse Cut, London E14 6N, UK
   At 11:12 22/05/2007, you wrote:

     Interesting.  We've been talking about a digital archive here, so we'll keep an eye on
     this.

     Jean

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     Dr Jean Palutikof
     Head
     IPCC WGII TSU
     Met Office, Fitzroy Road
     Exeter EX1 3PB
     United Kingdom
     Tel: +44 (0)1392 886212
     Mobile: +44 (0)7753 880737
     Fax: +44 (0)1392 885681
     jean.palutikof@metoffice.gov.uk
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     From: Phil Jones [[3] mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
     Sent: 22 May 2007 10:52
     To: Palutikof, Jean
     Subject: Interesting thread on Climate Audit
      Jean,
         May be worth a look. WG1 appear to have lodged hard copies
      of the responses to comments on the various drafts of the chapters
      with Harvard University Library, where they can be consulted
      during normal working hours!
         Maybe this is an issue for each WG separately, rather than a
      collective IPCC decision. Either way, the skeptics will kick up
      quite a fuss.
      Cheers
      Phil
     At 14:05 17/05/2007, you wrote:

     WG1 have a bunch of small changes to make, just as they thought they'd signed-off.  So
     we're taking it in a relaxed fashion - hopefully early August.

     Jean

     ========================
     Dr Jean Palutikof
     Head
     IPCC WGII TSU
     Met Office, Fitzroy Road
     Exeter EX1 3PB
     United Kingdom
     Tel: +44 (0)1392 886212
     Mobile: +44 (0)7753 880737
     Fax: +44 (0)1392 885681
     jean.palutikof@metoffice.gov.uk
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     From: Phil Jones [ [4]mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
     Sent: 17 May 2007 13:45
     To: Palutikof, Jean
     Subject: Re: Batjargal
      Jean,
        Thanks. I did look for him in Paris at the WG1 meeting.
      Apologies for not seeing you when I was down last week,
      but I wanted to get off quickly to drive to Bristol to see Poppy.
        Are the WG2 chapters nearing completion?  We've just
      found that WG1 changed the axis of Fig 3.18. Someone
      in Iceland spotted it. I guess they will try to change it before
      CUP print the thing.
      Cheers
      Phil
     At 11:39 17/05/2007, you wrote:

     I saw him in Geneva (although it took a while and the exchange of cards for us to
     recognize each other).
     He sends his regards.  He is currently working for the WMO in New York.
     Jean
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     Dr Jean Palutikof
     Head
     IPCC WGII TSU
     Met Office, Fitzroy Road
     Exeter EX1 3PB
     United Kingdom
     Tel: +44 (0)1392 886212
     Mobile: +44 (0)7753 880737
     Fax: +44 (0)1392 885681
     jean.palutikof@metoffice.gov.uk

     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
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     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     NR4 7TJ
     UK
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   Prof. Phil Jones
   Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
   School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
   University of East Anglia
   Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
   NR4 7TJ
   UK
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