date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:20:39 +0100 (BST)
from: David Lister <D.Lister@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: [Fwd: non-disclosing NMS]
to: P.Jones@uea.ac.uk

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Phil,

I have had a good look at the filed letters and other hard-copy that Mike 
Hulme passed to me when he went to Tyndall.  There is no shortage of 
letters that include restrictions for the use of the data.  Unfortunately, 
most of the correspondence relates to the transactions to acquire climate 
normals - i.e. not time-series.

I have copied a selection of the letters.  I have also found a string of 
letters etc. which relate to a data transfer from DWD.  This may be 
directly relevant to time-series.  I have put all of this into your pigeon 
hole.

You mentioned the Mali data.  I know that it was quite a time before 
Daouda felt that he could let us have the data.  I think that he got 
permission (we have passed them to UKMO - at least) from someone.  I have 
no actual proof that they imposed use conditions.  Given that he never 
replies to e-mails, he is hardly likely to deny anything.

I know that the Syrians imposed use restrictions when Mike Hulme bought 
some time-series from them.  I do not know where the actual letter was 
filed.  I have failed to find it. I processed the files!  In addition, I 
was fairly sure that the Algerians imposed restrictions (I got the data 
via Elena and Juerg) when they allowed us to use their data.  The e-mail 
from Mohamed Kadi, who gave permission, is not very explicit with respect 
to use conditions (copy of this in the collecion of hard-copy).  However, 
Elena was unable to pass the data to us without the permission from 
Algeria.

There must be plenty of other cases where use conditions have been imposed 
but I can't be more specific at the moment.

Cheers

David

On Thu, 24 May 2007 P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote:

>
> David,
>   Thanks.  Don't reply to Keenan. I'll do that
> next week. He wants countries, but I'm more than
> likely to send him dataset names as well as countries.
>
>   Douda's data is likely one. I'm thinking only
> of temperature data here, so forget any precip-related
> letters.
>
> Cheers
> Phil
>
>> Phil,
>>
>> A large number of series were collected by Mike Hulme and Mark New.  Mike
>> kept a collection of letters etc. from NMAs and other sources.  It could
>> be that some of the letters are useful.  I don't recall many instances of
>> us having to agree to not passing data to third parties - but there must
>> be some.
>>
>> I'll think about this .....
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>   This is from one of the arch skeptics. Can you have
>>> a think and begin to form a list of which datasets
>>> came with conditions, written or unwritten?
>>> I will do the same as well and send him something
>>> next week. It hasn't got to be complete or given
>>> much time, but I need to reply with something.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>> ----------------------------
>>> Subject: non-disclosing NMS
>>> From:    "D.J. Keenan" <doug.keenan@informath.org>
>>> Date:    Thu, May 24, 2007 9:53 am
>>> To:      "Phil Jones" <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Phil,
>>>
>>> According to Steve McIntyre, some of your raw station data
>>> was obtained from National Met Services who asked you to
>>> not disclose that data.  Is this correct?  If so, will you send
>>> me a list of the countries with which CRU/UEA has such
>>> non-disclosure agreements?  Or, if it is easier, direct me
>>> to an appropriate person to ask for this?
>>>
>>> Sincerely, Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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