date: Fri Feb  6 16:04:29 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Fwd: 2003RG000143R Receipt of revised MS by Reviews of
to: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@virginia.edu>

    Mike,
       I just click. I didn't need a userid/pw to resubmit on Wednesday.
     The CC saga is dragging on !  An email yesterday suggested that you should provide the
    code, but just for MM to check - and not to expect to run it !! I responded to this (and
   have
    just been seconded by Tom K. and Rik Leemans) saying it is ludicrous.
      I said even if you gave them the code (all the options as well as which proxies to use
   for
    which periods etc) and the data, they still wouldn't be able to get it to work. They would
   then
    complain they couldn't get it to work. Suggested also you likely have some library
   routines
    re some of the PCA work.
       Then I got to thinking !  In their comment to Nature they try in Fig 4 to replicate
   what you
    did in MBH98. They get an r-value of 0.89. They say this is due to some data series being
    different and the unavailability of the CRU temperature data you used !  I remember you
   saying
    you were going to put that onto your web site, so that can't be the real reason. So, I
   reckon
    they can't replicate what you did and want your code to sort this out. I briefly implied
   this
    back to CC and said asking for the code infringes your IPR.
       When Steve does respond - he's been away, in Japan, I think - remind him of IPR. It may
    seem odd to hide behind this, but you've given the method details in the original paper
    and in others. This should be all they need. I think our Orthogonal Spatial Regression
    technique would give much closer results than 0.89. When we did some work with
    Ed comparing Canonical Correlation with OSR, the results were almost identical when
    the networks were complete.
       When we do reviews we agree not to discuss the papers with others etc. If you give them
    the code, what guarantee do you have that they will delete it once the review is finished.
       Apologies if you've waded through all this and already had much the same thoughts.
    Cheers
    Phil
    Cheers
    Phil

   At 10:37 06/02/2004 -0500, you wrote:

     never mind...I can get there directly from the link below,
     mike
     At 08:22 AM 2/6/2004 +0000, you wrote:

      Mike,
         FYI
      Phil

     From: reviewsgeophysics@agu.org
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     Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:46:46 UT
     To: p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     Subject: 2003RG000143R Receipt of revised MS by Reviews of Geophysics.
     Reply-To: reviewsgeophysics@agu.org
     Dear Dr. Jones:
     On February 5, 2004, we received your revised manuscript entitled "Climate over Past
     Millennia" by authors:
            Phil Jones
          Michael Mann
     I will contact you as soon as this revision has been evaluated.  In the interim, you may
     check on the status of this manuscript by selecting the "Check Manuscript Status" link
     under the following URL:
     <[1]http://reviewsofgeophysics-submit.agu.org/cgi-bin/main.plex?el=A2P7liX6B7BFkh5F5A9if
     vfD2xudWY5PPWm8scYgZ>
     (Press/Click on the above link to be automatically sent to the web page.)
     Sincerely,
     Tom Torgersen
     Editor,
     Reviews of Geophysics

     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     NR4 7TJ
     UK
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                         Professor Michael E. Mann
                Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
                           University of Virginia
                          Charlottesville, VA 22903
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     e-mail: mann@virginia.edu   Phone: (434) 924-7770   FAX: (434) 982-2137
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   Prof. Phil Jones
   Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
   School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
   University of East Anglia
   Norwich                          Email    p.jones@uea.ac.uk
   NR4 7TJ
   UK
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