date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:41:28 -0400
from: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@meteo.psu.edu>
subject: Re: Don't become a TV presenter and forget the day job !
to: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>

   thanks Phil, well it would be a shame if you don't go, we certainly won't have much of a
   session in that case. I hope you will go, but I agree that if we cannot
   even put together a session plan, we're in a tight spot...
   Lorraine has a conference near Pisa the week before, so it was an easy call for me to go in
   any case, but it will be quite a disappointment if there is no Holocene session.
   I will contact Mike McCracken to see if there is anything he can do,
   talk to you later,
   mike
   Phil Jones wrote:

      Mike,
        Yes - I have all from you. One day you should get a more complete
      paper to look over. No idea when though.
      I'm getting more annoyed with IUGG - thinking of not bothering to go, even!
      I can't think of who else to contact on this. The email I sent went
      to all those who should be taking action!  None of the people who
      sent abstracts for our session know anything, except you - and
      that is that there is complete chaos.
      Cheers
      Phil
     At 16:15 16/05/2007, you wrote:

     thanks Phil, will continue to bug these guys myself. I think you have everything you
     need from me on the review paper, right?
     I'm hoping the IUGG people get back to you soon. This has been truly appalling!
     mike
     Phil Jones wrote:

      I'll put a PS at the front to Gavin re Wengen!  Keith and Tim here are
      doing things on this. Gene has sent something to Caspar - maybe
      that is like sending something to a black hole. Also Francis told
      me last week he'll be doing something in the next few weeks. SO,
      we'll need your part soon !  Remind Caspar is you're in contact.
      Also PS to Mike - nothing from Perugia!
      Mike, Gavin,
         Probably not worth doing anything at the moment, as this doesn't
      seem to be getting any attention here.
     [1]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6655449.stm
       This link to something Mike Hulme has said might be more up your
      street.
        There is also a link on the BBC site to the Christian college view
      of Climate Change/Global Warming. I liked the name of one of
      contributor's who thought it all a Left-wing plot - Dr Thomas Ice
      a Senior Theologian at Liberty University. He could certainly do
      with thawing out.
      The report contrasted this college with a Menonite one in Virginia.
      It is amazing how easy it is to guess the side people are on before
      they speak!
      Cheers
      Phil

     At 16:55 15/05/2007, Michael E. Mann wrote:

     thanks for forwarding Phil,
     Its amazing how much nonsense they are able to pack into a few pages. The Beck Co2 stuff
     we just dealt w/ last week, and most of the other issues have been dealt with in the
     past at RC. However, if folks think this is getting enough attention, maybe we need a
     specific RC post debunking this.
     I've copied to Gavin for his thoughts too,
     mike
     Phil Jones wrote:

      Dear All,
          FYI, for what it's worth and it isn't worth anything!
      Mike - you could critique this on Real Climate, but I
      guess like all of us you're fed up with all this sort
      of stuff.
         This is supposed to be a reputable journal.
        I even had something there years ago - maybe I should withdraw it in protest !
      Cheers
      Phil
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     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    [5]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     NR4 7TJ
     UK
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--
Michael E. Mann
Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of
Meteorology
Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker
Building
FAX:   (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University
email:  [6]mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

[7]
http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm


     Prof. Phil Jones
     Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
     School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
     University of East Anglia
     Norwich                          Email    [8]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
     NR4 7TJ
     UK
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--
Michael E. Mann
Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University      email:  [9]mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

[10]http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm

