date: Fri Oct 31 17:02:03 2003
from: Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: M&M final preliminary response
to: Tim Osborn <t.osborn@uea.ac.uk>

   Tim
   added in abit of pointed sentence at the end to emphasise where we stand re MBH versus MM -
   though it says nothing directly about who is right/wrong. Do what you like as regards edit
   - but do post to the CLIMLIST
   at least if you can.
   Have a good weekend
   Keith
   At 04:44 PM 10/31/03 +0000, you wrote:

     Mike,
     I'm glad we have a final version at last.  It's getting late now but we will do our best
     to get this out today.
     (1) Mike will you circulate your response around "friends and allies" please.
     (2) I've posted it on to a (currently unlinked) webpage.  Only had time for quick
     explanation of why its there.  Could have done better with more time, but... oh well.
     See:
     [1]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/paleo/
     (3) Keith is emailing Heike at Nature with it.
     (4) We will jointly (also with Phil) circulate it to CLIMLIST SKEPTICS ETC.  here is our
     proposed note, but little time for editing I'm afraid.
     "In response to the postings related to the McIntyre and McKitrick (Energy and
     Environment, 14, 751-771, 2003) study of the Northern Hemisphere temperature
     reconstruction previously published by Mann, Bradley and Hughes (Nature, 392, 779-787,
     1998; hereafter MBH98)...
     We suggest that those interested in the claim made by McIntyre and McKitrick (MM) should
     also read the initial response from Mann and his colleagues.
     It is plain that there are serious questions regarding the manner in which MM have
     attempted to implement the Mann et al. method, and specific problems with the selection
     of predictors.  Amazingly, the journal "Energy and Environment" that published the MM
     work, made no attempt to provide Mann et al. with the opportunity to review the MM paper
     or establish the details of the MM work."
     Objective readers , with a desire to get to the "truth" of this issue , would do well
     not to jump to premature conclusions and, unlike Energy and Environment , at least allow
     these respected, experienced, and invariably carefull researchers the curtesy of a
     considered response , after they have had time to study the so-called audit in detail.
     Tim
     At 16:00 31/10/2003, Michael E. Mann wrote:

     Great Keith, Great!
     I've attached, then, the final version with the two additional "censors" I found
     changed. So lets make sure to use the attached pdf final version.
     Can we confirm the procedure now. As I understand it, you guys have an email already to
     go to all the various list serves to which we'll attach the statement.
     As an alternative, can you also post our pdf file on the CRU website, so recipients have
     two ways to get to our statement, if they can't read the attachment, etc.?
     Oh, and I don't want to try to put any constraints on what you three want to write, but
     can Ray and I see that too before you send out, just to make sure everything seems fine?
     Thanks so much,
     mike
     At 03:38 PM 10/31/2003 +0000, Keith Briffa wrote:

     Mike Ray Malcolm
     I am happy with this now and feel it could go.
     Keith
     At 10:46 AM 10/31/03 -0500, Michael E. Mann wrote:

     oops--there is one "censored" that still has to be changed.
     Let me know if there are any additional comments and I'll incorporporate into one last
     final version once I hear back.
     Thanks,
     mike

     Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:31:48 -0500
     To: "raymond s. bradley" <rbradley@geo.umass.edu>, Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>,
     phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>, tim Osborn <t.osborn@uea.ac.uk>
     From: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@virginia.edu>
     Subject: Re: Malcolm just called READ THIS NOW
     thanks a bunch ray,
     Keith, Tim, (Phil?), what do you guys think now?
     mike
     At 10:24 AM 10/31/2003 -0500, raymond s. bradley wrote:

     looks good to me...i think these final changes alleviate Malcolm's concerns and adding
     his name will be ok with him
     ray
     At 10:15 AM 10/31/2003 -0500, you wrote:

     All of Malcolm's suggestions are right on target and in keeping w/ advice from people w/
     a legal background I've talked to.
     So all of those changes have been made.
     Can you guys give this one final read through and just say if you think this is now
     adequate for release. Sorry for the multiple emails--its the nature of the beast...
     mike
     p.s. I'm trying to talk Andy Revkin at the New York Times into doing a story on this...
     At 09:50 AM 10/31/2003 -0500, raymond s. bradley wrote:

     mike:
     I just spoke to MKH  (he'll call you as soon as he can).  I read him the latest
     version...
     He requests:
     1) changing word "censor" to "remove" throughout text;
     2) use phrase "appear to have" rather than definitive statements like "have"  when
     refering to MM actions.
     3) Eliminate words "reputable scientific journal" (see  my suggestion below that I was
     writing as he called...)
     He doesn't want to be included unless these changes are made.  If they are, he's happy
     to sign on.  He just wants to make it watertight so they can't come back at us...
     I agree with these suggested changes.
     In the original version that I edited, the text read:
     Journals that receive critical comments on a previously published papers always provide
     the authors who are being criticized an opportunity to review the study prior to
     publication, and offer them the chance to respond. This is standard operating procedure
     in all peer-reviewed scientific journals.  Mann and colleagues [We] were never given
     this opportunity.
     I think this is all that is needed on this matter....
     Ray

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                           University of Virginia
                          Charlottesville, VA 22903
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     ______________________________________________________________
                         Professor Michael E. Mann
                Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
                           University of Virginia
                          Charlottesville, VA 22903
     _______________________________________________________________________
     e-mail: mann@virginia.edu   Phone: (434) 924-7770   FAX: (434) 982-2137
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     Professor Keith Briffa,
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     University of East Anglia
     Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
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     ______________________________________________________________
                         Professor Michael E. Mann
                Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
                           University of Virginia
                          Charlottesville, VA 22903
     _______________________________________________________________________
     e-mail: mann@virginia.edu   Phone: (434) 924-7770   FAX: (434) 982-2137
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     Norwich  NR4 7TJ, UK
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   University of East Anglia
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