cc: Christoph Kull <christoph.kull@pages.unibe.ch>, Heinz Wanner <wanner@giub.unibe.ch>, Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:11:49 -0500
from: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@meteo.psu.edu>
subject: Re: workshop: participants / 1.Circular
to: Keith Briffa <k.briffa@uea.ac.uk>

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ok Keith--thanks for clarifying. It sounds like it was just an 
unfortunate but entirely honest mistake. Clearly too late to uninvite 
Eduardo, and I take Keith's word for it that he will "behave" 
appropriately. I would urge the invitation of Eugene Wahl too, if people 
don't object, just to provide a bit more balance in terms of the people 
who have actually been testing the multivariate calibration methods, etc...

Would people agree to this?

thanks

mike

Keith Briffa wrote:

> Mike
>
> I absolutely accept responsibility for this fuck up - I simply did a 
> multiple reply when I suggested this and did not notice that your 
> email address was wrong. I thought there might be some sensitivity 
> (hence my remark that it was clearly inappropriate to ask Hans)  but 
> my suggestion was just that - a suggestion , which required your 
> acceptance,  and motivated only by recent contact with Eduardo where 
> he was clearly not in any way personally critical of you - but 
> honestly seemed motivated by a wish to advance the science.
> I too misinterpreted your silence as agreement .
> We simply will not allow you to withdraw . You know perfectly well 
> that you are too important in all this to take such action. If it 
> requires my talking to Eduardo and getting him to withdraw , then so 
> be it. However, please accept that I (and I believe Eduardo) consider 
> Hans' attack to have been unacceptable , and consider that as a group 
> we need to move the subject on. I think we should try to build bridges 
> here .
>
>
>
> with genuine apologies for all this
> sincerely
> Keith
>
>   At 16:11 29/11/2005, Michael E. Mann wrote:
>
>> Keith's comment was never sent to me. I only saw Phil's comment 
>> (which apparently had Keith's comment below. Howver Keith never sent 
>> this to me!). We had specifically discussed this in Bern and decided 
>> that Zwiers could more objectively reflect that group than either 
>> Zorita for Von Storch who have been involved in ad hominem public 
>> attacks against us. Again, we had a specific discussion about this.
>>
>> I hereby formally withdraw my participation from this event.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Christoph Kull wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mike,
>>> I got the email below from you, where you replied on the note from 
>>> Keith and
>>> Phil....I therefore assumed that you both can live with the 
>>> suggestion made
>>> by Keith and Heinz of having a member of the German team (Zorita) on 
>>> board.
>>> We will certainly expect from all participants to contribute in a
>>> constructive way!
>>> In the cc list I copied the PAGES/CLIVAR chairs and the PAGES chair for
>>> information on the ongoing activity. This seems justified to me.
>>> Sorry to boarder you - this really wasn't intended!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Christoph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28.11.2005 17:40, "Michael E. Mann" 
>>> <mailto:mann@meteo.psu.edu><mann@meteo.psu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree. looks very great. I'm at an NSF meeting right now, and may
>>>> mention this is an upcoming activity relevant to the ESH program...
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>> Phil Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  sending again as Mike's old email address is there.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Christoph,
>>>>>        I have nothing further to add. Happy for invitations to go 
>>>>> out.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Phil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 16:20 28/11/2005, Keith Briffa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christoph
>>>>>> just back from Switzerland - only comment is that I really believe
>>>>>> inviting Eduardo Zorita to incorporate a member of the German team
>>>>>> would seem justified and necessary. Obviously, inviting Hans von
>>>>>> Storch is not practical,but  Eduardo is , I believe, objective and
>>>>>> fair and would certainly contribute constructively (and could 
>>>>>> include
>>>>>> relevant work from Gerd Burger from Berlin, who published the recent
>>>>>> Tellus paper on the various simulated reconstructions).
>>>>>> best wishes all
>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 13:40 28/11/2005, Christoph Kull wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>> I incorporated the comments received so far regarding the 1.
>>>>>>> Circular for
>>>>>>> the "Past Millennia Variability" workshop and made the final 
>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>> (attached).
>>>>>>> Attached is also the finalized participants list.
>>>>>>> Please have a quick look - thanks! We once also discussed having an
>>>>>>> Asian
>>>>>>> participant. Actually, there is nobody from Japan or China on the
>>>>>>> list...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you agree, I will send out the information (1. Circular, 
>>>>>>> "Invited
>>>>>>> Participant list") this week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your feedback,
>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>> Christoph
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Christoph Kull
>>>>>>> Science Officer
>>>>>>> PAGES IPO
>>>>>>> Sulgeneckstrasse 38
>>>>>>> CH-3007 Bern
>>>>>>> Switzerland
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> phone: +4131 312 31 53/33
>>>>>>> fax:   +4131 312 31 68
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Professor Keith Briffa,
>>>>>> Climatic Research Unit
>>>>>> University of East Anglia
>>>>>> Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone: +44-1603-593909
>>>>>> Fax: +44-1603-507784
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/>http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/ 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Prof. Phil Jones
>>>>> Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
>>>>> School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
>>>>> University of East Anglia
>>>>> Norwich                          Email 
>>>>> <mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk>p.jones@uea.ac.uk
>>>>> NR4 7TJ
>>>>> UK
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Michael E. Mann
>> Associate Professor
>> Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)
>>
>> Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) 863-4075
>> 503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) 865-3663
>> The Pennsylvania State University      email:  
>> <mailto:mann@psu.edu>mann@psu.edu
>> University Park, PA 16802-5013
>>
>> <http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm>http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm 
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Professor Keith Briffa,
> Climatic Research Unit
> University of East Anglia
> Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
>
> Phone: +44-1603-593909
> Fax: +44-1603-507784
>
> http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/



-- 
Michael E. Mann
Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology              Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker Building                    FAX:   (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University      email:  mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm


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