date: Sat Sep 18 08:48:09 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
subject: Re: kilimanjaro
to: "Jenkins, Geoff" <geoff.jenkins@metoffice.com>

    Geoff,
       The data that are used for the grid box should be within the grid box. They will be low
    elevation sites though, and this may be part of the reason. It might be worth seeing if
    there is anything in the U/A data - but I reckon there won't be much in that region.
      I've heard Lonnie Thompson talk about the Kilimanjaro core and he got some local
    temperatures - that we don't have access to, and there was little warming in them. The
    same situation applies for Quelccaya in Peru and also some of his Tibet sites. Lonnie
   thinks
    they are disappearing because of sublimation, but he can't pin anything down. They are
   going
    though.
    Lonnie's email is "Lonnie G. Thompson" <thompson.3@osu.edu>
    You could try emailing Ellen as well both might be in the field.
    Ellen Mosley-Thompson <thompson.4@osu.edu>
     I'm off much of the next 6 weeks at meetings.
     I hear you're retiring soon - hope all goes well !  I'm sure you'll still be in the field
   somewhere.
    Cheers
    Phil
   At 10:32 16/09/2004, you wrote:

     phil
     <<kilimanjaro.doc>>
     we have been concerned that people often use the melting glacier on kilimanjaro as an
     example of impacts of man-made warming. you may have seen some stories countering this
     on the sceptics websites.
     I got philip brohan to look at temps there (see attached) and there isnt any convincing
     consistent recent warming in the station data. but your gridded CRUtem2V does show a
     recent warming. presumably that is because (as philip suggests) the gridded stuff has
     influences from quite a large radius, and hence may reflect warming at stations a long
     way from kilimanjaro?
     would you agree that there is no convincing evidence for kilimanjaro glacier melt being
     due to recent warming (let alone man-made warming)?
     be grateful for your help
     cheers
     geoff
     Dr Geoff Jenkins
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